Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account

[black3dynamite]

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

For standalone non-domain, isn't it MicrosoftAccount\UserName is that only for personal Microsoft account only?

[PhlipElder]

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

For standalone non-domain, isn't it MicrosoftAccount\UserName is that only for personal Microsoft account only?

Not in this case. No permutation worked.

I have the VM and the AAD account on my desktop here. I'll try again. Let's see if it works...

[Obsolesce]

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

[PhlipElder]

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

[black3dynamite]

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

[PhlipElder]

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

Tried that among other permutations.

[Obsolesce]

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

Yes that has to be included.

The error messages says something about the credentials, so no idea. Does it work if you add it to the local Administrators group?

Other than that, I'm not doing anything different and it works with any AAD account on any AAD device, so I've not had to troubleshoot it.

[PhlipElder]

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

Yes that has to be included.

The error messages says something about the credentials, so no idea. Does it work if you add it to the local Administrators group?

Other than that, I'm not doing anything different and it works with any AAD account on any AAD device, so I've not had to troubleshoot it.

Nope.

[Dashrender]

I wonder if a cached credential is required.

@PhlipElder have you logged into this VM as [email protected] before?

[PhlipElder]

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I wonder if a cached credential is required.

@PhlipElder have you logged into this VM as [email protected] before?

Yeah, I log on using the Hyper-V Console. PITA that as I can't use Enhanced Session Mode since that is riding on RDP too.

Just tried with the account in the local administrators group and same result.

[black3dynamite]

Temporary turn off Network Level Authentication and try to again.

[Obsolesce]

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

Yes that has to be included.

The error messages says something about the credentials, so no idea. Does it work if you add it to the local Administrators group?

Other than that, I'm not doing anything different and it works with any AAD account on any AAD device, so I've not had to troubleshoot it.

Nope.

I meant included in the command to add it to a local group with the net command.

Does it work with an account that is in AD also synced to AAD?

[PhlipElder]

@Obsolesce No AD. Workgroup VM.

[LilAng]

OMG!!! this is perfect!!! Thanks @JaredBusch , it will be easier to walk people through an out of the box pc.

[LilAng]

@Supreme_Overlord

[scottalanmiller]

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

OMG!!! this is perfect!!! Thanks @JaredBusch , it will be easier to walk people through an out of the box pc.

We use this constantly

[LilAng]

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

OMG!!! this is perfect!!! Thanks @JaredBusch , it will be easier to walk people through an out of the box pc.

We use this constantly

yes and it will be great for my padawan to use as reference as well

[JaredBusch]

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

OMG!!! this is perfect!!! Thanks @JaredBusch , it will be easier to walk people through an out of the box pc.

We use this constantly

yes and it will be great for my padawan to use as reference as well

I need to update this a little bit. The best thing to do with windows 10 pro, is the click set up for business and domain join (even if no domain). Type in admin username. Leave password blank. Wait for install to complete. Install remote access tool. Set admin account password. Create user account. Reboot.

[LilAng]

@JaredBusch said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

OMG!!! this is perfect!!! Thanks @JaredBusch , it will be easier to walk people through an out of the box pc.

We use this constantly

yes and it will be great for my padawan to use as reference as well

I need to update this a little bit. The best thing to do with windows 10 pro, is the click set up for business and domain join (even if no domain). Type in admin username. Leave password blank. Wait for install to complete. Install remote access tool. Set admin account password. Create user account. Reboot.

yea, i've noticed there are some new screens like theres one that prompts you to opt for a "limited experience"

[Dashrender]

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@JaredBusch said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@LilAng said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

OMG!!! this is perfect!!! Thanks @JaredBusch , it will be easier to walk people through an out of the box pc.

We use this constantly

yes and it will be great for my padawan to use as reference as well

I need to update this a little bit. The best thing to do with windows 10 pro, is the click set up for business and domain join (even if no domain). Type in admin username. Leave password blank. Wait for install to complete. Install remote access tool. Set admin account password. Create user account. Reboot.

yea, i've noticed there are some new screens like there's one that prompts you to opt for a "limited experience"

This is the 1903 way to get a local account when choosing personal setup vs corporate ownership of the device.