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    • ObsolesceO
      Obsolesce @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

      @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

      @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

      @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

      I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

      I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

      If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

      Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

      Interesting - didn't know that.

      So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

      You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

      Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
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        Enterprise and Education don't have all that extra crap (the games) that home and Pro do - I don't understand at all why they include that shit in Pro... it's not like anything sold at typical retail has Pro on it, with the exception of Surface Pro devices (which are sold at retail).

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        • PhlipElderP
          PhlipElder @Obsolesce
          last edited by

          @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

          @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

          @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

          @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

          I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

          I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

          If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

          Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

          Interesting - didn't know that.

          So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

          You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

          Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

          Log on process?

          Domain\UserName & Password

          or

          [email protected] AAD account?

          For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

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          • IRJI
            IRJ @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

            @IRJ said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

            I would be interested to compare a default windows 10 install with Azure's Windows 10 VDI. I wonder how much extra shit is on with standard windows 10 that they wont run on their own hardware 🤔

            https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/virtual-desktop/

            Well - I assume that their VDI is using Windows 10 Enterprise - so it should be the same in their VDI or your personal hardware, at least for the most part.

            If you were MS and you were running let's say 100,000 VDIs (probably low number) on your hardware, I would think you would 100% optimize. Not doing so would be foolish and expensive.

            I would bet that it isnt just Windows 10 Enterprise, but that is just my best guess based on cost of not doing it.

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            • ObsolesceO
              Obsolesce @PhlipElder
              last edited by

              @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

              @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

              @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

              @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

              @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

              @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

              I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

              I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

              If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

              Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

              Interesting - didn't know that.

              So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

              You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

              Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

              Log on process?

              Domain\UserName & Password

              or

              [email protected] AAD account?

              For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

              Yes [email protected].

              On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

              net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

              Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @PhlipElder
                last edited by

                @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                Interesting - didn't know that.

                So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                Log on process?

                Domain\UserName & Password

                or

                [email protected] AAD account?

                For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                I've made file shares work using AAD creds... so I am kinda surprised RDP wouldn't work with AAD creds.

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                • PhlipElderP
                  PhlipElder @Obsolesce
                  last edited by

                  @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                  @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                  @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                  @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                  @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                  @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                  I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                  I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                  If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                  Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                  Interesting - didn't know that.

                  So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                  You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                  Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                  Log on process?

                  Domain\UserName & Password

                  or

                  [email protected] AAD account?

                  For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                  Yes [email protected].

                  On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                  net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                  Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                  I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                  AAD is vanilla. No changes.

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                  • black3dynamiteB
                    black3dynamite @PhlipElder
                    last edited by

                    @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                    @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                    @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                    @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                    @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                    I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                    I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                    If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                    Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                    Interesting - didn't know that.

                    So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                    You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                    Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                    Log on process?

                    Domain\UserName & Password

                    or

                    [email protected] AAD account?

                    For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                    For standalone non-domain, isn't it MicrosoftAccount\UserName is that only for personal Microsoft account only?

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                    • PhlipElderP
                      PhlipElder @black3dynamite
                      last edited by

                      @black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                      @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                      @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                      @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                      @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                      @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                      I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                      I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                      If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                      Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                      Interesting - didn't know that.

                      So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                      You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                      Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                      Log on process?

                      Domain\UserName & Password

                      or

                      [email protected] AAD account?

                      For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                      For standalone non-domain, isn't it MicrosoftAccount\UserName is that only for personal Microsoft account only?

                      Not in this case. No permutation worked.

                      I have the VM and the AAD account on my desktop here. I'll try again. Let's see if it works...

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                      • ObsolesceO
                        Obsolesce @PhlipElder
                        last edited by

                        @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                        I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                        I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                        If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                        Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                        Interesting - didn't know that.

                        So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                        You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                        Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                        Log on process?

                        Domain\UserName & Password

                        or

                        [email protected] AAD account?

                        For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                        Yes [email protected].

                        On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                        net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                        Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                        I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                        AAD is vanilla. No changes.

                        What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

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                        • PhlipElderP
                          PhlipElder @Obsolesce
                          last edited by

                          @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                          I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                          I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                          If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                          Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                          Interesting - didn't know that.

                          So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                          You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                          Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                          Log on process?

                          Domain\UserName & Password

                          or

                          [email protected] AAD account?

                          For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                          Yes [email protected].

                          On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                          net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                          Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                          I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                          AAD is vanilla. No changes.

                          What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

                          2019-10-16 MangoL - 01 AAD no RDP.PNG

                          Nope.

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                          • black3dynamiteB
                            black3dynamite @PhlipElder
                            last edited by

                            @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                            I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                            I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                            If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                            Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                            Interesting - didn't know that.

                            So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                            You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                            Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                            Log on process?

                            Domain\UserName & Password

                            or

                            [email protected] AAD account?

                            For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                            Yes [email protected].

                            On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                            net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                            Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                            I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                            AAD is vanilla. No changes.

                            What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

                            2019-10-16 MangoL - 01 AAD no RDP.PNG

                            Nope.

                            Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

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                            • PhlipElderP
                              PhlipElder @black3dynamite
                              last edited by

                              @black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                              I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                              I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                              If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                              Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                              Interesting - didn't know that.

                              So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                              You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                              Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                              Log on process?

                              Domain\UserName & Password

                              or

                              [email protected] AAD account?

                              For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                              Yes [email protected].

                              On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                              net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                              Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                              I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                              AAD is vanilla. No changes.

                              What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

                              2019-10-16 MangoL - 01 AAD no RDP.PNG

                              Nope.

                              Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

                              Tried that among other permutations.

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                              • ObsolesceO
                                Obsolesce @black3dynamite
                                last edited by

                                @black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                                I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                                If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                                Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                                Interesting - didn't know that.

                                So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                                You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                                Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                                Log on process?

                                Domain\UserName & Password

                                or

                                [email protected] AAD account?

                                For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                                Yes [email protected].

                                On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                                net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                                Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                                I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                                AAD is vanilla. No changes.

                                What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

                                2019-10-16 MangoL - 01 AAD no RDP.PNG

                                Nope.

                                Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

                                Yes that has to be included.

                                The error messages says something about the credentials, so no idea. Does it work if you add it to the local Administrators group?

                                Other than that, I'm not doing anything different and it works with any AAD account on any AAD device, so I've not had to troubleshoot it.

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                                • PhlipElderP
                                  PhlipElder @Obsolesce
                                  last edited by

                                  @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                  I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                                  I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                                  If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                                  Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                                  Interesting - didn't know that.

                                  So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                                  You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                                  Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                                  Log on process?

                                  Domain\UserName & Password

                                  or

                                  [email protected] AAD account?

                                  For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                                  Yes [email protected].

                                  On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                                  net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                                  Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                                  I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                                  AAD is vanilla. No changes.

                                  What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

                                  2019-10-16 MangoL - 01 AAD no RDP.PNG

                                  Nope.

                                  Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

                                  Yes that has to be included.

                                  The error messages says something about the credentials, so no idea. Does it work if you add it to the local Administrators group?

                                  Other than that, I'm not doing anything different and it works with any AAD account on any AAD device, so I've not had to troubleshoot it.

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                                  Nope.

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                                  • DashrenderD
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                                    I wonder if a cached credential is required.

                                    @PhlipElder have you logged into this VM as [email protected] before?

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                                      @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                      I wonder if a cached credential is required.

                                      @PhlipElder have you logged into this VM as [email protected] before?

                                      Yeah, I log on using the Hyper-V Console. PITA that as I can't use Enhanced Session Mode since that is riding on RDP too. 😛

                                      Just tried with the account in the local administrators group and same result.

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                                      • black3dynamiteB
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                                        Temporary turn off Network Level Authentication and try to again.

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                                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

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                                          @black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          @PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

                                          I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

                                          I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

                                          If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

                                          Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

                                          Interesting - didn't know that.

                                          So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

                                          You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

                                          Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

                                          Log on process?

                                          Domain\UserName & Password

                                          or

                                          [email protected] AAD account?

                                          For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

                                          Yes [email protected].

                                          On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

                                          net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

                                          Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

                                          I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

                                          AAD is vanilla. No changes.

                                          What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

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                                          Nope.

                                          Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

                                          Yes that has to be included.

                                          The error messages says something about the credentials, so no idea. Does it work if you add it to the local Administrators group?

                                          Other than that, I'm not doing anything different and it works with any AAD account on any AAD device, so I've not had to troubleshoot it.

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                                          Nope.

                                          I meant included in the command to add it to a local group with the net command.

                                          Does it work with an account that is in AD also synced to AAD?

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                                          • PhlipElderP
                                            PhlipElder @Obsolesce
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                                            @Obsolesce No AD. Workgroup VM.

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