@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.

There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.

If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.

In an SMB, one typically wears many hats.

I personally dropped IT Director (what my boss calls me) to IT admin. While I advise what to buy, I haven't been the one making the decisions, though I suppose my opinion does weigh heavily...

So lets say that's there is only two IT in the company. An System Admin and IT Director. The IT Director quits. Are you still an System Admin? Will you be getting paid more?

They aren't an IT director, maybe that's what they are calling them but it's an IT manager or IT Supervisor if all they have under them is a Systems Administrator.

@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.

There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.

If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

But admins head closer to $500K.

Where?

You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.

Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.

CIO isn't a Systems Admin or Engineer. CIO is just a policy maker. Ours Makes way more than $500k as does any of our executive leadership.

@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

But admins head closer to $500K.

Where?

You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.

@VoIP_n00b said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@EddieJennings said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Sam-I-Am said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

Typically we see engineers cap out around $225K. But admins head closer to $500K.

I am making much less then that as an engineer. You have opened my eyes. Do you have some links you could share of jobs in that salary range?

Yeah. I'm only about $435K away from max as an administrator

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Systems_Administrator/Salary
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Systems_Engineer/Salary

You'll notice the Avg is dilotued big time by lots of entry level jobs rather than more experienced.

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Yeah this is honestly either block the number or contact law enforcement. It's not an HR thing, tbh. You cannot get any valid proof.

Company policy could easily make it an HR thing that could cost the other person their job.

Without valid proof?

Proof has nothing to do with if it is an HR thing or not. It is an HR thing if company policy has something about employee behavior between each other that is potentially being violated.

If so, then it is HR's job to deal with things like proof and facts. While doing so, HR can also determine to send it to the authorities even if the recipient does not. Or just keep it as an internal action such as discipline up to termination.

So I create a fake text and get someone else terminated?

Cell companies arent going to turn over texts to HR departments. They would have to get law enforcement involved. So there is basically no way to verify if it is real without getting law enforcement involved.

I think from most cases I've heard the HR involvement usually is mostly a CYA, Document what happened put it on record, give them a slap on the wrist or a warning kind of thing.

unfortunately texts like this even off the clock and outside of work to co-workers has been seen as workplace violence by the courts and they have held employers liable for damages for allowing a hostile workplace in the past

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@EddieJennings said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Sam-I-Am said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

Typically we see engineers cap out around $225K. But admins head closer to $500K.

I am making much less then that as an engineer. You have opened my eyes. Do you have some links you could share of jobs in that salary range?

Yeah. I'm only about $435K away from max as an administrator

yeah, these crazy numbers Scott loves to show, super rare positions - rare doesn't meant there aren't still hundreds, or even thousands of them at that range, but compared to the millions of IT jobs, they are still super rare.

You can pretty much set your own Pay right now in IT, the problem is you won't find those jobs in SMBs and a lot of people will not jump away from SMBs even though SMBs don't usually value IT the jobs (along with the fact they tend to underpay in general) tend to be much easier and less complex. You get to Large Enterprises and there is a lot more work & more stress.

Have you checked event viewer on the client computer after running gpupdate for an error? make sure, Run in logged on users security context on the GPP (under common) isn't checked.

@Dashrender said in Creating Scheduled Task using GPO:

The account NT Authority\System is a system level account.

I'm not sure who can or can't see scheduled tasks setup with this account as the owner.
I've seen this problem in the past.

I know JB was trying to get chocolately to run from ST via GPO, and couldn't.

That's probably because the System doesn't get network access, and you can't save credentials in GPOs anymore, some options are still there for it but it won't work.

@srdennis said in Creating Scheduled Task using GPO:

Hey deabeto! Is that a user or a computer GPO?

You'll want to make that a Computer Policy. And the System account has rights to shutdown a computer so that should work as he has shown.

@crustachio said in L2 network head scratcher, losing pings to Management VLAN:

The last little piece of the puzzle... Our old "core" switch (Cisco 3750) is still in use to an extent. It's largely used to route legacy VLANs that we're still in the process of retiring. However the management VLAN doesn't live there. The management VLAN is defined/directly connected on the 5406R core switch. The old 3750 is set to route any management VLAN traffic to the "new" 5406R core. That said, the existing remote wireless links are served off the old 3750 core. So I'm wondering if there's some kind of situation that is causing traffic destined for the same remote MAC to be unsure of which direction to go (old core/new core).

Are you sure you don't have asymmetric routing going on? You can make asymmetric work if there is a vaild reason for it however things like firewalls and routers have to be setup for this otherwise the packets will be dropped.

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

nice desk/chair - what?
I personally know no one who has a nicer WFH that was working from an office before Covid, than what they have at work.

I know no one who didn't. Of course, I tend to know real workers more often than not, and not like doctors or other "professionals". Those often don't even have computers at home. But they can't work from home generally, either. But basically anyone with working value that isn't blue collar, you know their home setups are better than work because the office almost never cares and at home, they always do.

Most of ours do, of course most of our people will work from home here and there on some days (we allow a lot of flexibility as a family first company) such as work from home when kids or sick, out of school etc. plus, we have a lot of people that will do work after hours from home (like myself) because we just simply get more done without the distractions.

And your salary - so you like to just give your time to your employer? I mean i know that professional (to scott at least) means you're putting in 50-60 hrs/wk, but if you have any self respect, wouldn't you demand that your company provide you all the resources to get that job done, even if that means working at home?

Perhaps one argues that since the pay for these professionals is 6 figures plus, that is the self respect that you have, and it's "understood" that you will spend some of that money maintaining a home workstation to do work while at home?

OK, I can accept that. I'm not accustomed to working with/around people at that level, so I don't see it. I'm more akin to the blue collar worker Scott mentioned earlier.

Actually I'm only salaried in the sense I get paid 40hrs if I work under 40hrs. I worked out a deal with my employer serval years back. I get paid overtime or for extra straight hours if not overtime (like if working extra on a week with a holiday when it's not technically overtime).

I'm pretty sure, at least in the US, we've agreed that most IT work would still qualify for OT. though I'm fully prepared to be wrong.

On average, it does, when not salaried.

for us Desktop support & Sys Admins are non-exempt, but as Systems Engineers and Lead Architects we are exempt normally, but you can always negotiate your pay and terms. Software Engineers are exempt as well.

That's weird, the demands on and salaries for admins, being so senior to engineers, normally makes them exempt long before engineers. Engineers don't have the "decision making" demands on them that admins do.

That's bacwards actually. Systems Admins just do day to day operations and keep things running they don't have an descision making whatsoever.

Or as Google says:
A systems administrator manages the systems, while a systems engineer has more power over their design: what OS to use, what infrastructure and software is going to be used, what's the best solution for certain problem, etc etc.

The systems administrators have everything already decided, they just need to troubleshoot, fix, update, monitor.

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@thecreaitvone91 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Well so far not me but the basically gutted our level-1 NOC guys.

Seems like a lot of companies are just using CVOID as an excuse to do stuff, even if it's not really cause they have too. or even CVOID related.

I think more than anything, it's drastically exposing bloat in a way that they can't ignore any longer.

That's what I'm thinking. We do lean six sigma (which has problems still) but for most jobs we would not be able to function the same if we removed them.

@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Well so far not me but the basically gutted our level-1 NOC guys.

Seems like a lot of companies are just using CVOID as an excuse to do stuff, even if it's not really cause they have too. or even CVOID related.

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

nice desk/chair - what?
I personally know no one who has a nicer WFH that was working from an office before Covid, than what they have at work.

I know no one who didn't. Of course, I tend to know real workers more often than not, and not like doctors or other "professionals". Those often don't even have computers at home. But they can't work from home generally, either. But basically anyone with working value that isn't blue collar, you know their home setups are better than work because the office almost never cares and at home, they always do.

Most of ours do, of course most of our people will work from home here and there on some days (we allow a lot of flexibility as a family first company) such as work from home when kids or sick, out of school etc. plus, we have a lot of people that will do work after hours from home (like myself) because we just simply get more done without the distractions.

And your salary - so you like to just give your time to your employer? I mean i know that professional (to scott at least) means you're putting in 50-60 hrs/wk, but if you have any self respect, wouldn't you demand that your company provide you all the resources to get that job done, even if that means working at home?

Perhaps one argues that since the pay for these professionals is 6 figures plus, that is the self respect that you have, and it's "understood" that you will spend some of that money maintaining a home workstation to do work while at home?

OK, I can accept that. I'm not accustomed to working with/around people at that level, so I don't see it. I'm more akin to the blue collar worker Scott mentioned earlier.

Actually I'm only salaried in the sense I get paid 40hrs if I work under 40hrs. I worked out a deal with my employer serval years back. I get paid overtime or for extra straight hours if not overtime (like if working extra on a week with a holiday when it's not technically overtime).

I'm pretty sure, at least in the US, we've agreed that most IT work would still qualify for OT. though I'm fully prepared to be wrong.

On average, it does, when not salaried.

for us Desktop support & Sys Admins are non-exempt, but as Systems Engineers and Lead Architects we are exempt normally, but you can always negotiate your pay and terms. Software Engineers are exempt as well.

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

Perhaps one argues that since the pay for these professionals is 6 figures plus, that is the self respect that you have, and it's "understood" that you will spend some of that money maintaining a home workstation to do work while at home?

We either provide or re-reimburse for these expenses unless someone wants something crazy. The desk itself is the only thing we don't cover.

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

nice desk/chair - what?
I personally know no one who has a nicer WFH that was working from an office before Covid, than what they have at work.

I know no one who didn't. Of course, I tend to know real workers more often than not, and not like doctors or other "professionals". Those often don't even have computers at home. But they can't work from home generally, either. But basically anyone with working value that isn't blue collar, you know their home setups are better than work because the office almost never cares and at home, they always do.

Most of ours do, of course most of our people will work from home here and there on some days (we allow a lot of flexibility as a family first company) such as work from home when kids or sick, out of school etc. plus, we have a lot of people that will do work after hours from home (like myself) because we just simply get more done without the distractions.

And your salary - so you like to just give your time to your employer? I mean i know that professional (to scott at least) means you're putting in 50-60 hrs/wk, but if you have any self respect, wouldn't you demand that your company provide you all the resources to get that job done, even if that means working at home?

Perhaps one argues that since the pay for these professionals is 6 figures plus, that is the self respect that you have, and it's "understood" that you will spend some of that money maintaining a home workstation to do work while at home?

OK, I can accept that. I'm not accustomed to working with/around people at that level, so I don't see it. I'm more akin to the blue collar worker Scott mentioned earlier.

Actually I'm only salaried in the sense I get paid 40hrs if I work under 40hrs. I worked out a deal with my employer serval years back. I get paid overtime or for extra straight hours if not overtime (like if working extra on a week with a holiday when it's not technically overtime).

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

nice desk/chair - what?
I personally know no one who has a nicer WFH that was working from an office before Covid, than what they have at work.

I know no one who didn't. Of course, I tend to know real workers more often than not, and not like doctors or other "professionals". Those often don't even have computers at home. But they can't work from home generally, either. But basically anyone with working value that isn't blue collar, you know their home setups are better than work because the office almost never cares and at home, they always do.

Most of ours do, of course most of our people will work from home here and there on some days (we allow a lot of flexibility as a family first company) such as work from home when kids or sick, out of school etc. plus, we have a lot of people that will do work after hours from home (like myself) because we just simply get more done without the distractions. We tend to issue out most people docks for home and work when issuing laptops.

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:

some employees just can't do it - they can't stay on task while at home

But can they in the office? These are the same people who derail others in the office.

Studies show that people stay MORE on task at home. If we cared about people being on task, the office would have been ruled out long ago. So clearly, no one using an office is concerned with this, so this is moot.

Sure, a few people are useless anywhere, but the majority work better at home.

I'm way more distracted in the office, my Boss and our CIO would let me work from home, but it's the fact that others will complain that's it's not fair etc that it doesn't happen. Company politics and all..

So let them all work from home. Create metrics that allow them to be measured and then disperse.

Why create metrics? If you don't need those metrics in a less conducive environment, you don't need them in a more productive one.

This is the solution to the management problem - they "believe" people are more productive at work than at home... they dont' know it, they are blinded by their own lack of a job if the employees are working from home perhaps..

It's well known in the business world that supervisors and lower management are some of the dumpest people in the company, even C-level's joke about this.. sometimes jobs are even created for these people to stop them from fucking up the actual work.

you wonder what stupid c-level created those jobs in the first place?

The fact that nearly everything can turn into a lawsuit and win something created those jobs..