Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...
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@Jimmy9008 said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
What certification would you suggest for IT management in terms of people and projects?
For project work, PMP. Project Management Professional. From a reputable source of course.
A thorough understanding of project work by experience would also be an asset.
Experience with the products brings a type of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom to bring about a successful conclusion to a project whether $25K or $25M.
Boots on the ground experience.
Oh, and a sense of tact. I don't have that so can be difficult in larger projects. Plus, I'm the humblest guy I know.
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@PhlipElder said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Oh, and a sense of tact. I don't have that so can be difficult in larger projects. Plus, I'm the humblest guy I know.
Aww, so we should start calling you @JaredBusch then?
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@PhlipElder said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@Jimmy9008 said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
What certification would you suggest for IT management in terms of people and projects?
For project work, PMP. Project Management Professional. From a reputable source of course.
A thorough understanding of project work by experience would also be an asset.
Experience with the products brings a type of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom to bring about a successful conclusion to a project whether $25K or $25M.
Boots on the ground experience.
Oh, and a sense of tact. I don't have that so can be difficult in larger projects. Plus, I'm the humblest guy I know.
Ok, so how about on purely people management side? IT folks can usually be technical, but not good managers. What course or program can core management competencies be gained? Other than of course time and experience?
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@Jimmy9008 Parenthood 500 and above level courses.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@PhlipElder said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Parenthood 500
Ha!
Seriously though.
Questions to ask those we work with and to look at ourselves:- Am I a dyck to work with?
- What can I improve? Constructive criticism please.
- Do I give someone the benefit of the doubt? Especially if it's "third party" pointing it out?
- Do I compliment/acknowledge the folks around me for the work they do?
- Do I take the time to ask folks how they are doing? Genuine ... not fly-by questioning.
- Am I able to listen?
- Am I able to pick the right hill to die on but mostly walk away?
I'm not "nice". I know my boundaries and when someone has crossed them. I expect folks to respect them as do I to theirs. I don't play well with predators, back-biters, and gossips.
I also know that someone that takes credit for my work is also going to burn when they can't answer to the details so I wait for it. That trust bridge is only burnt once.
The above doesn't come in a course .Though, I'm sure I could generate our retirement fund putting one together.
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I have a friend who is a manager of a technical team (programmers, not IT). He's not a programmer, but did come from IT - he's learned Lean Six Sigma... that seems to be doing him well. He's in the 180Ks doing that in the midwest - could easily be much higher on a coast.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Ok, so how about on purely people management side? IT folks can usually be technical, but not good managers. What course or program can core management competencies be gained? Other than of course time and experience?
Management is a completely different skill set. Mostly it's something that you just have to be good at. Can you teach things that are outside of your natural skill set? Yes. But generally it is painful on both sides and excelling is difficult.
Management far more than IT can benefit from general education. University, general ed. Understanding business, broad general knowledge, psychology classes, etc.
But having done a masters and phd level work in management... I can tell you that 99% of my management skills and knowledge came from just my own reading, working in fast food, hotels, and other random management jobs. Management is more empathy than anything.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
What certification would you suggest for IT management in terms of people and projects?
For actually doing IT management... there are no certs. None. They don't exist. Not that they shouldn't, they just don't.
Project Management isn't IT or normal management, that's a separate thing (managing projects). It's a third career option... IT, Management, Project Management. For that, there are a handful of really clear certs. PM is the most "cert heavy" career of the three. Management is the least. IT is in the middle. PMs essentially always get degrees focused on PM, and two or three core PM certs. The CompTIA to start and the PMP after that is the main path today.
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@PhlipElder said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Boots on the ground experience.
For PM work. I don't know how often this will work. I have PM experience from the small business arena. So don't take this example as "no PM experience magic." But my PM experience was rather lean, definitely not my focus. But I did some long form PM publications. Those publications got Credit Suisse to offer me the head of the PMO position. So not just PM, but the Head of PM, for one of the largest investment firms.
Alternative paths do exist. Like we keep saying that doing stuff on ML counts as experience (trust me, at this point this stuff is bigger for my career options than anything else); as do any writing, teaching, volunteering, etc. There are options.
PM volunteering? You bet... check out local non-profits, schools, churches, etc. Someone will let you work for free.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Management is more empathy than anything.
Ug...
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@Dashrender said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Management is more empathy than anything.
Ug...
Sorry, not getting a management job... but the job of actually managing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@Dashrender said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Management is more empathy than anything.
Ug...
Sorry, not getting a management job... but the job of actually managing.
Oh, no, I understood you - This is something I constantly fail at. empathy for others.
I just expect more from people... -
@Dashrender said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@Dashrender said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Management is more empathy than anything.
Ug...
Sorry, not getting a management job... but the job of actually managing.
Oh, no, I understood you - This is something I constantly fail at. empathy for others.
I just expect more from people...Sometimes empathy makes you expect more, not less
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@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@Dashrender said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@Dashrender said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
@scottalanmiller said in Why IT certifications are worth more than you think...:
Management is more empathy than anything.
Ug...
Sorry, not getting a management job... but the job of actually managing.
Oh, no, I understood you - This is something I constantly fail at. empathy for others.
I just expect more from people...Sometimes empathy makes you expect more, not less
I'm not sure if you're throwing platitudes at me?
