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I always sign offer and wait for background check, drug screen, etc BEFORE I put my notice in
Heck yeah. Everything has to be totally finalized before I'll consider it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
I once had a job rescind their offer AFTER I had started working. The person I was supposed to replace had just "shown back up" after having quit and they decided they wanted to keep him so they just acted like they never made me an offer. I had relocated for the job. The VP just claimed that the hiring manager didn't have the authority to hire and that they were sorry for the fake offer but good luck getting paid for even the day that I worked, let alone anything else.
Damn! What happened? Did you just have to take the loss?
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
Yes, but only in huge enterprise financial datacenters so you'd always have a physical location need like NYC or San Fran.
In otherwords - so rare a position as to not even bother mentioning them because no one you will ever know (unless you're scott) will know one of these people
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@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
I once had a job rescind their offer AFTER I had started working. The person I was supposed to replace had just "shown back up" after having quit and they decided they wanted to keep him so they just acted like they never made me an offer. I had relocated for the job. The VP just claimed that the hiring manager didn't have the authority to hire and that they were sorry for the fake offer but good luck getting paid for even the day that I worked, let alone anything else.
Damn! What happened? Did you just have to take the loss?
Yeah, suing over that stuff is VERY hard and they had good excuses lined up. Instead of paying me, they'd have just sued the hiring manager and blamed him personally.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
Yes, but only in huge enterprise financial datacenters so you'd always have a physical location need like NYC or San Fran.
In otherwords - so rare a position as to not even bother mentioning them because no one you will ever know (unless you're scott) will know one of these people
It's not rare, it's the singular goal of working in that industry. Bench has two main groups of workers... the people at Best Buy and the people in enterprise datacenters. That's it. You either get into that field to be a local "plug stuff in" guy, or to get into datacenters. That's it. It's definitely the elite part of the field, but if you want to make ANY money, you'll make a LOT of money.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
I always sign offer and wait for background check, drug screen, etc BEFORE I put my notice in
Heck yeah. Everything has to be totally finalized before I'll consider it.
Well, I got another offer from a different company. Same pay range. System Admin role, so I'll be managing/maintaining all their systems. First system admin role. Pretty excited about this one as it's exactly what I've been looking for. And I got an actual offer this time. Submitted drug test and background check today, and signed the offer. Once it's validated, then I will let my current employer know. I would hate to retract 2 resignations. lol.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
I always sign offer and wait for background check, drug screen, etc BEFORE I put my notice in
Heck yeah. Everything has to be totally finalized before I'll consider it.
Well, I got another offer from a different company. Same pay range. System Admin role, so I'll be managing/maintaining all their systems. First system admin role. Pretty excited about this one as it's exactly what I've been looking for. And I got an actual offer this time. Submitted drug test and background check today, and signed the offer. Once it's validated, then I will let my current employer know. I would hate to retract 2 resignations. lol.
Congrats!
And go get this book...
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
And go get this book...
Got it! Can't wait to read it! Thanks!
Sweet, thanks!!!
Two months still
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Alright, I’ve been quiet about this but I got the official offer tonight but I’m hesitant. The reason(s) are below-
A tech recruiter reached out about a local travel agency (bought out by a global travel agency) is looking for a contract/temp to hire : job duties are imaging ~500 PC to migrate from the current domain to the new setup - local users working through VPN. Once that project finishes up, move to help desk for the remainder of the contract. Guaranteed 40 hours/week.
The tech recruiting company will pay 25/hour , no paid days off, add me to their insurance (which looks to be roughly the same as I got now) for 6 months. After the 6 months, if not sooner, the company I’d be temping for would hire me into the help desk. I’d start from help desk, and as I progressed through help desk could land me a Sys admin position within the company.
My thinking is :
Cons-
contract to hire ( nothing says that once I’m done, they will hire me)
There is no security for the temp when going into these jobs, from what I’ve noticed / heard.
Working help desk - no phone calls emails only.
No paid time off or sick time (important when you have a child and your on your own on the weeks you have him. )
No overtime- they won’t pay me over time. After 40 im done for the week.
I’ve officially moved into the Admin role for the Brink PoS - the other guy officially retired
If it doesn’t work out, im screwed. I feel like it’s a gamble especially with it being temporary.Pros-
Gets me away from the current job.
Gives me more industry based skills / experiences.
No on call.
+~$6.00 an hour.
No urgent requests that require immediate attention (at least during the imaging process)
Closer to home and sons school.
More industry based knowledge- VPN, 2- factor auto setup, Soft phone setup (on PCs) , email management exposure, actually doing things the right way.I guess this is more of a post to see the opinion of the community. Ideas, opinions, thoughts?
No decision has been made yet.They came back and reoffered me this position. Said they have someone already working but they need to add another person.
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Has anything changed to make you feel it is worth accepting now when it wasn't a few days ago?
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
Has anything changed to make you feel it is worth accepting now when it wasn't a few days ago?
The only thing I see is moving laterally to another entry level position after 4 years experience in help desk..
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
Has anything changed to make you feel it is worth accepting now when it wasn't a few days ago?
I feel like shitty employer isn't a reason to do anything out of fear or just to get out. For me accepting a new role is always a well calculated decision. Sure, he should make the decision that he's gonna leave his current employer. That's an easy one to make.
However, the decision of choosing the new role needs to be well thought out and calculated as a career move. Not a knee jerk reaction.
If someone truly devoted themselves to finding a job in 6 weeks, you can do it if you have the actual skill set required for your new role. In 6 weeks time you should have received several offers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
Has anything changed to make you feel it is worth accepting now when it wasn't a few days ago?
The only thing I see is moving laterally to another entry level position after 4 years experience in help desk..
At some point, that's the right thing to do. If you could make a truly lateral career move, but into a better employer, that's a huge win. You know that your current company provides no training, no mentoring, no upward mobility, no future. You have to protect your current situation because of familiar needs, so high risk isn't an option. But a lateral move where you can kind of start over to move up is a big deal.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
Has anything changed to make you feel it is worth accepting now when it wasn't a few days ago?
The only thing I see is moving laterally to another entry level position after 4 years experience in help desk..
At some point, that's the right thing to do. If you could make a truly lateral career move, but into a better employer, that's a huge win. You know that your current company provides no training, no mentoring, no upward mobility, no future. You have to protect your current situation because of familiar needs, so high risk isn't an option. But a lateral move where you can kind of start over to move up is a big deal.
That's what the Recuiter is telling me this job is - based on everything you said (no future, no mentoring, no upward)
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
Has anything changed to make you feel it is worth accepting now when it wasn't a few days ago?
I feel like shitty employer isn't a reason to do anything out of fear or just to get out. For me accepting a new role is always a well calculated decision. Sure, he should make the decision that he's gonna leave his current employer. That's an easy one to make.
However, the decision of choosing the new role needs to be well thought out and calculated as a career move. Not a knee jerk reaction.
If someone truly devoted themselves to finding a job in 6 weeks, you can do it if you have the actual skill set required for your new role. In 6 weeks time you should have received several offers.
Yeah, that makes sense - I'm taking the weekend to consider the offer.
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My thought is - even with over time last year my taxable income was around 44k - so getting up closer to 50k in a company that can give me a different experience and has a growth plan, and gives me the opportunity to move up within the company would be better than what I'm doing now - the benefits will stay the same but more money coming back to me..
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
Has anything changed to make you feel it is worth accepting now when it wasn't a few days ago?
I feel like shitty employer isn't a reason to do anything out of fear or just to get out. For me accepting a new role is always a well calculated decision. Sure, he should make the decision that he's gonna leave his current employer. That's an easy one to make.
However, the decision of choosing the new role needs to be well thought out and calculated as a career move. Not a knee jerk reaction.
If someone truly devoted themselves to finding a job in 6 weeks, you can do it if you have the actual skill set required for your new role. In 6 weeks time you should have received several offers.
This. ↑↑↑
Is it really a calculated career move after 4 years experience in this position? Is it possible to find something better than a lateral move if you give it month or two?
Changing job is like moving. It requires a certain amount of work and energy. It will probably take a while before you're going to change again. Actually 2.8 years on average for most people that are not at the end of their career or in management.
So take that into account when you consider the offer. It might not seem like it, but you're making a commitment for a couple of years and your pay is going to stay more or less the same more during that time.
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Also remember you only need to hit about 60-70% of the job description. And you can get a much better job after only about 6 months at a new job. Keep track of your accomplishments and continuously learn and improve.
