With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse
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@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@Dashrender said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
A) nothing happens to your current installs
b) you don't get future updatesc) you no longer have the right to pay for support.
d) you can't re-apply current patches in a re-installAre you certain about point d) ?
If you have the patch files, I think you can install them to get to the point where your support ended. Assuming you updated to that point.
And this assumes you save the patch files somewhere. .
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@Dashrender said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
A) nothing happens to your current installs
b) you don't get future updatesc) you no longer have the right to pay for support.
d) you can't re-apply current patches in a re-installAre you certain about point d) ?
If you have the patch files, I think you can install them to get to the point where your support ended. Assuming you updated to that point.
And this assumes you save the patch files somewhere. .
Assuming you've stored patch files somewhere. While someone might do that, I don't know of anyone who does. You could plan for it, I suppose.
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@scottalanmiller that is kind of my point. I believe you are allowed up upgrade to wherever you left off, so long as you have the files yourself. As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller that is kind of my point. I believe you are allowed up upgrade to wherever you left off, so long as you have the files yourself. As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
Right, and ability to restore in case of hardware failure is pretty important to basically everyone.
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@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller that is kind of my point. I believe you are allowed up upgrade to wherever you left off, so long as you have the files yourself. As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
Right, and ability to restore in case of hardware failure is pretty important to basically everyone.
If you don't keep your install ISO's, then that is pretty foolish and on your own head.
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@Donahue said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller that is kind of my point. I believe you are allowed up upgrade to wherever you left off, so long as you have the files yourself. As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
Right, and ability to restore in case of hardware failure is pretty important to basically everyone.
If you don't keep your install ISO's, then that is pretty foolish and on your own head.
While it makes some sense to keep them, it is also unlike any other platform in the world that I can think of. Imagine if Microsoft started pulling Security patches off of their servers after your contract expires but the platform is still supported.
You'd be pissed as you should (without much hassle) be able to upgrade to where you left off.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@Donahue said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller that is kind of my point. I believe you are allowed up upgrade to wherever you left off, so long as you have the files yourself. As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
Right, and ability to restore in case of hardware failure is pretty important to basically everyone.
If you don't keep your install ISO's, then that is pretty foolish and on your own head.
While it makes some sense to keep them, it is also unlike any other platform in the world that I can think of. Imagine if Microsoft started pulling Security patches off of their servers after your contract expires but the platform is still supported.
You'd be pissed as you should (without much hassle) be able to upgrade to where you left off.
HPE does that shit now. No contract, some updates you can't have.
They seemed to have relaxed a bit on that though... Last year I couldn't get a BIOS update for something not on a support agreement, this year I can.
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@Donahue said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller that is kind of my point. I believe you are allowed up upgrade to wherever you left off, so long as you have the files yourself. As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
Right, and ability to restore in case of hardware failure is pretty important to basically everyone.
If you don't keep your install ISO's, then that is pretty foolish and on your own head.
It's not the install ISOs in question here. It's every online patch applied over the years.
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@Dashrender said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@Donahue said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@scottalanmiller that is kind of my point. I believe you are allowed up upgrade to wherever you left off, so long as you have the files yourself. As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
Right, and ability to restore in case of hardware failure is pretty important to basically everyone.
If you don't keep your install ISO's, then that is pretty foolish and on your own head.
While it makes some sense to keep them, it is also unlike any other platform in the world that I can think of. Imagine if Microsoft started pulling Security patches off of their servers after your contract expires but the platform is still supported.
You'd be pissed as you should (without much hassle) be able to upgrade to where you left off.
HPE does that shit now. No contract, some updates you can't have.
They seemed to have relaxed a bit on that though... Last year I couldn't get a BIOS update for something not on a support agreement, this year I can.
Cisco commonly does that, too.
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Sigh
A quick summary of what we've learned here...
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vSphere retail on-premise socket licensing (What spending less than 250K) is normally perpetual.
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The only exceptions to this would certain OEM Appliance licensing (Think VxRAIL), or the retail subscription for Essentials/Essentials Plus - (Note, I never met anyone who purchased this SKU).
2b. It's worth noting that VMware has vSphere in cloud providers where it's monthly terms.
- Sns - You don't need a current subscription to download security patches (those VIB's are on the public web). It's worth noting the big thing here is access to updates and upgrades that include features, as well as the ability to call someone and troubleshoot the platform. If you have any security questions the team's PGP key can be found here. https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1055
https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1055
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
As VMWare removes access to the files if you aren't under maintenance.
Upgrade VIBs/Offline bundles sit on the public internet with no logon. Otherwise I couldn't CLI upgrade a host doing this...
# esxcli software vib install -v https://hostupdate.vmware.com/software/VUM/PRODUCTION/main/esx/vmw/vib20/tools-light/VMware_locker_tools-light_5.0.0-0.7.515841.vib -
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@Dashrender said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
And the rest of setup for VMWare itself is like 20 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qc6BYlet3I Does a pretty good job of building a full cluster with clustered storage in under 4 minutes using the UI.
@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@Dashrender said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
Are you saying that KVM can be done lock stock and barrel in 1:20 ? The toss in backups - you mentioned all kinds of tech for backups.
That you think 1:20 is even hard, this shows how skewed Vmware has made you. Of course, I can do it in 1:20. We normally do it in closer to :20.
I can instantly clone a nested environment in 10 seconds or less (it's a bit cheeze to clone to` a running state but it's a thing). If we are talking bare metal VMC can auto-scale every 5 minutes without your intervention.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
Microsoft started pulling Security patches off of their servers after your contract expires but the platform is still supported.
Microsoft no longer provides patches for XP Server 2003 unless you pay them a lot of extra money. It's basically a license with security updates for a fixed interval that can be extended for a ton of money...
