Resume Critique
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@aaronstuder said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 That's what I thought, but @scottalanmiller seems to state otherwise.
No, I'm crystal clear. You never lie. You always put what is honest.
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@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
You put your Employer and your title there. Then you can list your role if you want, and responsibilities.
No, resumes get rules, not titles. Putting a title on a resume as if it is a role is lying. There is no place on a resume for titles. That's not a thing.
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@scottalanmiller Thanks for clarifying
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@dustinb3403 said in Resume Critique:
@aaronstuder said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 That's what I thought, but @scottalanmiller seems to state otherwise.
Yea. . . . but I wouldn't put CTO on my resume if it wasn't true, even if I was in charge of everything technology related for an org.
Put your titled as it is, and then state what you actually did.
"Systems Administrator"
- Managed a team of 5
- Updated Servers
- managed and developed BDR plan
But don't lie about it.
You HAVE to state that it is a false title if you want to put it there. Never put a false title and list responsibilities as if that makes the false title okay. If you feel compelled to list titles in addition to your role, then clarify that it is a title.
Role: System Admin
Title: Lord of the Universe
Responsibilities: "things that had been be system admin tasks" -
@scottalanmiller now I am more confused. lmao
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If you list a title and then responsibilities that don't match it, this makes you either look dishonest, or far more likely, just confused. As if you didn't realize that your responsibilities didn't match the role.
If you put "System Admin", then list non-system admin tasks, it tells someone reading the resume that something is wrong - and that either you didn't catch it (which is a huge flag) or you knew and hoped they wouldn't catch it (also a big flag.)
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@aaronstuder said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller now I am more confused. lmao
Two rules:
- Always list roles, not titles.
- Always be honest.
That's it. So simple.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 said in Resume Critique:
@aaronstuder said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 That's what I thought, but @scottalanmiller seems to state otherwise.
Yea. . . . but I wouldn't put CTO on my resume if it wasn't true, even if I was in charge of everything technology related for an org.
Put your titled as it is, and then state what you actually did.
"Systems Administrator"
- Managed a team of 5
- Updated Servers
- managed and developed BDR plan
But don't lie about it.
You HAVE to state that it is a false title if you want to put it there. Never put a false title and list responsibilities as if that makes the false title okay. If you feel compelled to list titles in addition to your role, then clarify that it is a title.
Role: System Admin
Title: Lord of the Universe
Responsibilities: "things that had been be system admin tasks"But you are then left to identify the "role" where as 99.999% of jobs give a title, and then a random list of responsibilities. And if you are in NY, job descriptions that end with "duties as described" also means you could be doing janitorial one day, and electrical the next.
The title, even if worthless is an honest describer for the position you held. (even if it doesn't align with your role(s).)
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@dustinb3403 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 said in Resume Critique:
@aaronstuder said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 That's what I thought, but @scottalanmiller seems to state otherwise.
Yea. . . . but I wouldn't put CTO on my resume if it wasn't true, even if I was in charge of everything technology related for an org.
Put your titled as it is, and then state what you actually did.
"Systems Administrator"
- Managed a team of 5
- Updated Servers
- managed and developed BDR plan
But don't lie about it.
You HAVE to state that it is a false title if you want to put it there. Never put a false title and list responsibilities as if that makes the false title okay. If you feel compelled to list titles in addition to your role, then clarify that it is a title.
Role: System Admin
Title: Lord of the Universe
Responsibilities: "things that had been be system admin tasks"But you are then left to identify the "role" where as 99.999% of jobs give a title
You always have to identify your role. That's just part of writing a resume. Nearly all jobs give titles, and almost always they are fake.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 said in Resume Critique:
@aaronstuder said in Resume Critique:
@dustinb3403 That's what I thought, but @scottalanmiller seems to state otherwise.
Yea. . . . but I wouldn't put CTO on my resume if it wasn't true, even if I was in charge of everything technology related for an org.
Put your titled as it is, and then state what you actually did.
"Systems Administrator"
- Managed a team of 5
- Updated Servers
- managed and developed BDR plan
But don't lie about it.
You HAVE to state that it is a false title if you want to put it there. Never put a false title and list responsibilities as if that makes the false title okay. If you feel compelled to list titles in addition to your role, then clarify that it is a title.
Role: System Admin
Title: Lord of the Universe
Responsibilities: "things that had been be system admin tasks"But you are then left to identify the "role" where as 99.999% of jobs give a title
You always have to identify your role. That's just part of writing a resume. Nearly all jobs give titles, and almost always they are fake.
This I haven't disagreed with.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
You put your Employer and your title there. Then you can list your role if you want, and responsibilities.
No, resumes get rules, not titles. Putting a title on a resume as if it is a role is lying. There is no place on a resume for titles. That's not a thing.
The problem here, is that many companies still use their own system, and specifically ask for "Employer" and "Title". Then there's a "Job Description". No where, that I have ever seen, is a little place for "Role". I've recently done this dance a bunch of times and I do not remember seeing a "role" field. Only "Employer" and "Job Title".
I'm sure some might have a "Title / Role" field, but I haven't seen them.
On the resume, you can put it exactly how you are saying which does make complete sense.
But in the U.S., most places not only make you upload your resume, but ALSO fill in their PITA shit too, because their resume translators always fail.
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@dustinb3403 said in Resume Critique:
The title, even if worthless is an honest describer for the position you held. (even if it doesn't align with your role(s).)
No, it is not. A title never tells that. It might, in some cases, suggest it. But even then, it's nothing but a suggestion of intent, but only a suggestion. Titles tell a prospective employer literally nothing.
You can even give a title like CEO to a janitor, as long as he is not listed as a principle on the corporate filings. Even titles like those, mean nothing without the role behind them.
Bottom line, roles always matter, titles never do.
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@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
The problem here, is that many companies still use their own system, and specifically ask for "Employer" and "Title". Then there's a "Job Description". No where, that I have ever seen, is a little place for "Role". I've recently done this dance a bunch of times and I do not remember seeing a "role" field. Only "Employer" and "Job Title".
So true.
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@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
You put your Employer and your title there. Then you can list your role if you want, and responsibilities.
No, resumes get rules, not titles. Putting a title on a resume as if it is a role is lying. There is no place on a resume for titles. That's not a thing.
The problem here, is that many companies still use their own system, and specifically ask for "Employer" and "Title".
Yes, places like McDonald's hiring for minimum wage work and having you fill out a form. Filling out forms, you fill out what you are told to fill out. That doesn't relate to a resume, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
You put your Employer and your title there. Then you can list your role if you want, and responsibilities.
No, resumes get rules, not titles. Putting a title on a resume as if it is a role is lying. There is no place on a resume for titles. That's not a thing.
The problem here, is that many companies still use their own system, and specifically ask for "Employer" and "Title".
Yes, places like McDonald's hiring for minimum wage work and having you fill out a form. Filling out forms, you fill out what you are told to fill out. That doesn't relate to a resume, though.
No, places that offer over 6 figures...
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Keep something in mind as we discuss this, which I think helps...
Employer / Role - this is hiring information used on a resume to determine if you are a good candidate.
Employer / Title - this is hiring verification information used to validate with a previous employer that you actually worked there.
Title has a place, but it's very different than what is needed on a resume.
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@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
You put your Employer and your title there. Then you can list your role if you want, and responsibilities.
No, resumes get rules, not titles. Putting a title on a resume as if it is a role is lying. There is no place on a resume for titles. That's not a thing.
The problem here, is that many companies still use their own system, and specifically ask for "Employer" and "Title".
Yes, places like McDonald's hiring for minimum wage work and having you fill out a form. Filling out forms, you fill out what you are told to fill out. That doesn't relate to a resume, though.
No, places that offer over 6 figures...
What place paying decently makes you fill out a high school job application? I've literally not had this come up, ever, in any job over $9/hr. And even then, I'm not sure. Maybe over $6/hr.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
You put your Employer and your title there. Then you can list your role if you want, and responsibilities.
No, resumes get rules, not titles. Putting a title on a resume as if it is a role is lying. There is no place on a resume for titles. That's not a thing.
The problem here, is that many companies still use their own system, and specifically ask for "Employer" and "Title".
Yes, places like McDonald's hiring for minimum wage work and having you fill out a form. Filling out forms, you fill out what you are told to fill out. That doesn't relate to a resume, though.
No, places that offer over 6 figures...
What place paying decently makes you fill out a high school job application? I've literally not had this come up, ever, in any job over $9/hr. And even then, I'm not sure. Maybe over $6/hr.
What jobs are you applying for lately that are less than $9/hr to know this? Perhaps when you were early teens, but this isn't the case. I'm getting this from numerous CURRENT experiences.
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@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@obsolesce said in Resume Critique:
You put your Employer and your title there. Then you can list your role if you want, and responsibilities.
No, resumes get rules, not titles. Putting a title on a resume as if it is a role is lying. There is no place on a resume for titles. That's not a thing.
The problem here, is that many companies still use their own system, and specifically ask for "Employer" and "Title".
Yes, places like McDonald's hiring for minimum wage work and having you fill out a form. Filling out forms, you fill out what you are told to fill out. That doesn't relate to a resume, though.
No, places that offer over 6 figures...
What place paying decently makes you fill out a high school job application? I've literally not had this come up, ever, in any job over $9/hr. And even then, I'm not sure. Maybe over $6/hr.
What jobs are you applying for lately that are less than $9/hr to know this? Perhaps when you were early teens, but this isn't the case. I'm getting this from numerous CURRENT experiences.
I'm not, I've not seen this in person since the mid-1990s. Nothing I've applied for since then, from entry level IT on up, has ever asked me to fill out a high school job app like I was a minimum wage cashier.
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And I've worked well over 40 IT jobs in my career. It's not like I've stuck to one place or industry. I've been all over.
