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      Some_user
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      I've been working on IT security for about 5 years now, and I have been recently continuing my education.

      I've been with my current employer about a year, but I'm constantly being offered more money to leave. Sometimes the upward of 20-30k of an increase.

      I've gone up to the interview a few times and demanded more money than they were offering originally and have yet to be turned down. Although I have decided to stop through process before the interview several times.

      I like my current employer and they are giving me room to grow with training however I feel that I may be tapped out on the technical side. I am only eligible for one more promotion before I'm maxed out as a tech.

      The next option is management and this employer requires a 4 year degree for that. I have no degree and about 15 years total IT experience, so at this point I'm not sure a degree would help me for the amount of effort required.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch
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        Move on then. There is no future where you are. Free training is great and all but stagnating is horrible.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @JaredBusch
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          @JaredBusch said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

          Move on then. There is no future where you are. Free training is great and all but stagnating is horrible.

          Yep.

          But - if you really like your current employer, you should sit down with him, and maybe his boss too. Explain the situation. They might make a change.

          What is the limitation of the next promotion? Does it have a pay cap that you feel you can/should exceed?
          Do you feel you bring more value to the company than that cap allows? If so, definitely talk to them about it. Worst they can say is no.

          I'm curious what others think about if you should mention the other job offers or not?

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            Some_user
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            One of the appealing things about my current role is I have an opportunity to build something from the ground up. I wouldn't be qualified to do this type of niche within information security otherwise. The serious upside is that this role could potentially double my salary. However if the program doesn't take off then I could potentially waste quite a bit of time money (potential higher salary)

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              Some_user @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

              @JaredBusch said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

              Move on then. There is no future where you are. Free training is great and all but stagnating is horrible.

              Yep.

              But - if you really like your current employer, you should sit down with him, and maybe his boss too. Explain the situation. They might make a change.

              What is the limitation of the next promotion? Does it have a pay cap that you feel you can/should exceed?
              Do you feel you bring more value to the company than that cap allows? If so, definitely talk to them about it. Worst they can say is no.

              I'm curious what others think about if you should mention the other job offers or not?

              I'm not sure that helps much in enterprise environment. Getting HR policies changed is an act of God.

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                Some_user
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                The demand in security is so insane right now. Our organization was scared that people were going to leave because we lost some security people to a competitor.

                On fact, they were so worried they pulled my department into a special meeting and promised increases if we stay. Those increases were somewhat substantial, but security in the local area is paying more still

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @Some_user
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                  @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                  @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                  @JaredBusch said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                  Move on then. There is no future where you are. Free training is great and all but stagnating is horrible.

                  Yep.

                  But - if you really like your current employer, you should sit down with him, and maybe his boss too. Explain the situation. They might make a change.

                  What is the limitation of the next promotion? Does it have a pay cap that you feel you can/should exceed?
                  Do you feel you bring more value to the company than that cap allows? If so, definitely talk to them about it. Worst they can say is no.

                  I'm curious what others think about if you should mention the other job offers or not?

                  I'm not sure that helps much in enterprise environment. Getting HR policies changed is an act of God.

                  That's weird - since when are department salary caps set by HR, or job titles? Oh wait, you live in the real world... 😉

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @Some_user
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                    @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                    On fact, they were so worried they pulled my department into a special meeting and promised increases if we stay. Those increases were somewhat substantial, but security in the local area is paying more still

                    Sounds like someone found a way around the HR monster.

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                      Some_user @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                      @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                      On fact, they were so worried they pulled my department into a special meeting and promised increases if we stay. Those increases were somewhat substantial, but security in the local area is paying more still

                      Sounds like someone found a way around the HR monster.

                      Which makes me think it won't happen again. One negotiation with HR is difficult enough. It took 6 months to happen

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @Some_user
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                        @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                        @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                        @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                        On fact, they were so worried they pulled my department into a special meeting and promised increases if we stay. Those increases were somewhat substantial, but security in the local area is paying more still

                        Sounds like someone found a way around the HR monster.

                        Which makes me think it won't happen again. One negotiation with HR is difficult enough. It took 6 months to happen

                        you have weak leadership at the company then.

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                          Some_user @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                          @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                          @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                          @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                          On fact, they were so worried they pulled my department into a special meeting and promised increases if we stay. Those increases were somewhat substantial, but security in the local area is paying more still

                          Sounds like someone found a way around the HR monster.

                          Which makes me think it won't happen again. One negotiation with HR is difficult enough. It took 6 months to happen

                          you have weak leadership at the company then.

                          Leadership is the one that made the change initially. They had to create a new department, job titles, etc

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @Some_user
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                            @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                            @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                            @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                            @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                            @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                            On fact, they were so worried they pulled my department into a special meeting and promised increases if we stay. Those increases were somewhat substantial, but security in the local area is paying more still

                            Sounds like someone found a way around the HR monster.

                            Which makes me think it won't happen again. One negotiation with HR is difficult enough. It took 6 months to happen

                            you have weak leadership at the company then.

                            Leadership is the one that made the change initially. They had to create a new department, job titles, etc

                            Why did it take them 6 months then? Why can't they do it again?

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender
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                              Don't allow the company to make excuses that hinder your growth. If they can't keep up with the other companies in your area/field, then you have no choice but to leave.

                              But, if they really are a good company, they will make these changes rapidly, as needed to keep good employees.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                Don't allow the company to make excuses that hinder your growth. If they can't keep up with the other companies in your area/field, then you have no choice but to leave.

                                But, if they really are a good company, they will make these changes rapidly, as needed to keep good employees.

                                You also missed this point..

                                @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                One of the appealing things about my current role is I have an opportunity to build something from the ground up. I wouldn't be qualified to do this type of niche within information security otherwise. The serious upside is that this role could potentially double my salary. However if the program doesn't take off then I could potentially waste quite a bit of time money (potential higher salary)

                                So it sounds like there is more than jsut higher wages elsewhere involved here. It sounds like a startup within a larger enterprise.

                                That kind of thing can be lucrative. Just like any other start up.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @Some_user
                                  last edited by

                                  @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                  However if the program doesn't take off then I could potentially waste quite a bit of time money (potential higher salary)

                                  So he has to decide if this gamble is worthwhile.

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                                    Some_user @JaredBusch
                                    last edited by Some_user

                                    @JaredBusch said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                    @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                    Don't allow the company to make excuses that hinder your growth. If they can't keep up with the other companies in your area/field, then you have no choice but to leave.

                                    But, if they really are a good company, they will make these changes rapidly, as needed to keep good employees.

                                    You also missed this point..

                                    @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                    One of the appealing things about my current role is I have an opportunity to build something from the ground up. I wouldn't be qualified to do this type of niche within information security otherwise. The serious upside is that this role could potentially double my salary. However if the program doesn't take off then I could potentially waste quite a bit of time money (potential higher salary)

                                    So it sounds like there is more than jsut higher wages elsewhere involved here. It sounds like a startup within a larger enterprise.

                                    That kind of thing can be lucrative. Just like any other start up.

                                    Something similar to this, but no quite. I have the opportunity to be the lead on something that SMBs would never have. Every enterprise and government organization has this area of information security though. It's somewhat less technical than what I've done in the past, but I'm starting to see a top out in the technical part of my career anyway.

                                    I could have more money right now if I wanted because the demand is so high its ridiculous, but I don't think I'd have the opportunity to do what I am doing now somewhere else. If I can establish this area, it could potentially pay off huge.

                                    It could potentially put me in the path of a C level position. There would be another step after this, but I wouldn't be far off.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @Some_user
                                      last edited by

                                      @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                      @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                      Don't allow the company to make excuses that hinder your growth. If they can't keep up with the other companies in your area/field, then you have no choice but to leave.

                                      But, if they really are a good company, they will make these changes rapidly, as needed to keep good employees.

                                      You also missed this point..

                                      @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                      One of the appealing things about my current role is I have an opportunity to build something from the ground up. I wouldn't be qualified to do this type of niche within information security otherwise. The serious upside is that this role could potentially double my salary. However if the program doesn't take off then I could potentially waste quite a bit of time money (potential higher salary)

                                      So it sounds like there is more than jsut higher wages elsewhere involved here. It sounds like a startup within a larger enterprise.

                                      That kind of thing can be lucrative. Just like any other start up.

                                      Something similar to this, but no quite. I have the opportunity to be the lead on something that SMBs would never have. Every enterprise and government organization has this area of information security though. It's somewhat less technical than what I've done in the past, but I'm starting to see a top out in the technical part of my career anyway.

                                      I could have more money right now if I wanted because the demand is so high its ridiculous, but I don't think I'd have the opportunity to do what I am doing now somewhere else. If I can establish this area, it could potentially pay off huge.

                                      It could potentially put me in the path of a C level position. There would be another step after this, but I wouldn't be far off.

                                      I am a type that would grab an opportunity that works with my life, and this sounds exactly like something I woudl do in your position.

                                      Security related work will be in huge demands for years to come.

                                      So I would take this risk and stay on for a year. If it fails, move on. You are out a bit of a short term wage increase in that instance, but the potential long term is higher faster. Risk vs. Reward, only you can make that call.

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                                        Some_user @JaredBusch
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                                        @JaredBusch said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                        @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                        @Dashrender said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                        Don't allow the company to make excuses that hinder your growth. If they can't keep up with the other companies in your area/field, then you have no choice but to leave.

                                        But, if they really are a good company, they will make these changes rapidly, as needed to keep good employees.

                                        You also missed this point..

                                        @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                        One of the appealing things about my current role is I have an opportunity to build something from the ground up. I wouldn't be qualified to do this type of niche within information security otherwise. The serious upside is that this role could potentially double my salary. However if the program doesn't take off then I could potentially waste quite a bit of time money (potential higher salary)

                                        So it sounds like there is more than jsut higher wages elsewhere involved here. It sounds like a startup within a larger enterprise.

                                        That kind of thing can be lucrative. Just like any other start up.

                                        Something similar to this, but no quite. I have the opportunity to be the lead on something that SMBs would never have. Every enterprise and government organization has this area of information security though. It's somewhat less technical than what I've done in the past, but I'm starting to see a top out in the technical part of my career anyway.

                                        I could have more money right now if I wanted because the demand is so high its ridiculous, but I don't think I'd have the opportunity to do what I am doing now somewhere else. If I can establish this area, it could potentially pay off huge.

                                        It could potentially put me in the path of a C level position. There would be another step after this, but I wouldn't be far off.

                                        I am a type that would grab an opportunity that works with my life, and this sounds exactly like something I woudl do in your position.

                                        Security related work will be in huge demands for years to come.

                                        So I would take this risk and stay on for a year. If it fails, move on. You are out a bit of a short term wage increase in that instance, but the potential long term is higher faster. Risk vs. Reward, only you can make that call.

                                        That's exactly the time frame I was thinking. See what happens in another year. I agree that the demand is high and not going away anytime soon. So either way I will be in a a better place in a year.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Some_user
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                                          @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                          The next option is management and this employer requires a 4 year degree for that.

                                          This alone is reason to leave. If you want personal growth, this isn't a company that takes what you do seriously. If they don't see their managers as important, you shouldn't either. Nothing wrong with working for companies like this, but there is no way to have a requirement like that and think that they are serious about these positions. This is an attempt at "middling", which lots of companies need to do. But this goes against your goals for advancement.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Some_user
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                                            @Some_user said in Should I stay or should I go now?:

                                            I have no degree and about 15 years total IT experience, so at this point I'm not sure a degree would help me for the amount of effort required.

                                            It doesn't help you even if you have zero experience. Degrees don't work that way, and aren't meant to.

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