When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
And that's sad because it's natural to become a generalist
In the SMB, it's really the only option - as Scott as mentioned and I agree. Sure there are rare times when you can become a specialist, but that's mostly only on the larger side of the SMB market, which by comparison is much smaller an arena
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@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
If you read carefully, I didn't say that. And you are making huge assumptions like you will only work for the SMB. Which is true, but only because you force it to be so.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
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As an official "IT Support Specialist"
I can honestly tell you that titles in IT mean exactly nothing to the business - only IT staff.
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@MattSpeller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
As an official "IT Support Specialist"
I can honestly tell you that titles in IT mean exactly nothing to the business - only IT staff.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
Drive. granted that only gets you into the entry level jobs.. then you need to learn skills to move up.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@MattSpeller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
As an official "IT Support Specialist"
I can honestly tell you that titles in IT mean exactly nothing to the business - only IT staff.
Can't decide which I like better so I'm sorry but I included both
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
That's NOT the point. You keep redirecting. You keep feeling that telling someone something honest will not get you as far as lying. But is that really true? WHY do you feel that way? Good shops know when people are lying most of the time, so it limits those people to other kinds of work.
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@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
Drive. granted that only gets you into the entry level jobs.. then you need to learn skills to move up.
How about honesty?
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I feel like part of what is lacking from this discussion is the acknowledgement that in most of the SMB market, there is no HR, and many times there is no formal IT (or very minimal). Most of this discussion is based around the false premise that people who know IT are hiring IT for most organizations. That's simply untrue. It's true that people in IT might understand IT.. but that pretty well rules out all but a tiny sliver of small businesses, and a whole lot of medium businesses too... or if I could summarize, the vast majority of the SMB world (at least in the US). Since SMBs make up around 95% of businesses in the country, the idea that IT is handling IT hiring when there often isn't even an IT department in the vast majority of those that even have on-staff IT is kind of weird.
Being good at business does not necessitate having good IT... adequate, or even sufficient IT is all that's required to be good at business even with IT needs. It's likely misinformed to suggest that most businesses and organizations are actually good at/with IT. Even organizations that are terrible at IT can thrive, even at IT, when everyone else around them is even worse. Sure, they will hit a wall at some point, but so long as the business is successful and the ownership is satisfied, what does that matter? Not all businesses are in business to make every possible penny they can right here, right now. Some simply want to do a thing, and so long as they're doing it successfully, they're content.
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@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
That's NOT the point. You keep redirecting. You keep feeling that telling someone something honest will not get you as far as lying. But is that really true? WHY do you feel that way? Good shops know when people are lying most of the time, so it limits those people to other kinds of work.
For some reason I wasn't notified of this reply. Weird. Anyway, Yeah I do think lying gets you further. I interviewed with ABC and they wanted someone who was a mac guru. I am not a mac guru, or basically a guru of anything. I said that I am by no means a mac guru, but I have my own home lab and self-teach constantly etc etc. I was attempting to prove that any effort they put into me would not be wasted. Well, as much as they appreciated my honesty they went with another dude. A friend of mine does master control for ABC and he said they asked this dude to do the most basic of things mac related (its' been awhile) and he didn't know how to do it. His boss then decided to just train the guy to be what they needed him to be.
Lying definitely helped that guy. He's making 90k+ a year right now with less knowledge than me.
That doesn't mean I would lie or that I endorse lying but in my experience it has paid off for everyone who has done it which is very unfortunate for honest people like me.
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@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
That's NOT the point. You keep redirecting. You keep feeling that telling someone something honest will not get you as far as lying. But is that really true? WHY do you feel that way? Good shops know when people are lying most of the time, so it limits those people to other kinds of work.
For some reason I wasn't notified of this reply. Weird. Anyway, Yeah I do think lying gets you further. I interviewed with ABC and they wanted someone who was a mac guru. I am not a mac guru, or basically a guru of anything. I said that I am by no means a mac guru, but I have my own home lab and self-teach constantly etc etc. I was attempting to prove that any effort they put into me would not be wasted. Well, as much as they appreciated my honesty they went with another dude. A friend of mine does master control for ABC and he said they asked this dude to do the most basic of things mac related (its' been awhile) and he didn't know how to do it. His boss then decided to just train the guy to be what they needed him to be.
Lying definitely helped that guy. He's making 90k+ a year right now with less knowledge than me.
That doesn't mean I would lie or that I endorse lying but in my experience it has paid off for everyone who has done it which is very unfortunate for honest people like me.
I think this is standard knowledge now at this point. Lying gets you further sadly. It's unethical, and wrong to do, I don't endorse it, nor would I do it myself but you're point is spot on.
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@quixoticjeremy said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@wirestyle22 said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@Dashrender said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
@scottalanmiller said in When Is It Okay to Say You Are a System Administrator:
Also notice, according to ASVAB... there is no title, whatsoever, for the ENTIRE SMB IT space. Not a single one.
And really - there probably shouldn't be. As mentioned - though not accepted by Scott - Generalist would not be acceptable to most people hiring in the SMB space, at least with my very limited exposure.
So of course, Scott's right - we should only 'talk' about correct things, and not have discussions around incorrect things - bad practices - but at the same time, knowing your audience and making your resume suit that situation is key.
Right, knowing the truth and knowing how to market are two different things. But you can't market well if you don't know the truth.
Then you have to decide if you are going to market well within the truth, or just lie.
So I either lie or I market myself poorly. Great.
Welcome to American employment
I'm not going to be a shitty person to make money, so I guess I'm choosing poverty
You are still assuming that I said you have to lie. But read what I actually wrote.
I do see it, but telling the truth is making myself non-competitive--not that I even consider it an option to lie.
WHY does telling the truth make you feel non-competitive?
Please don't start this conversation again lol. I'm actually just being honest, not having a pity party. The better question is what makes me competitive?
That's NOT the point. You keep redirecting. You keep feeling that telling someone something honest will not get you as far as lying. But is that really true? WHY do you feel that way? Good shops know when people are lying most of the time, so it limits those people to other kinds of work.
For some reason I wasn't notified of this reply. Weird. Anyway, Yeah I do think lying gets you further. I interviewed with ABC and they wanted someone who was a mac guru. I am not a mac guru, or basically a guru of anything. I said that I am by no means a mac guru, but I have my own home lab and self-teach constantly etc etc. I was attempting to prove that any effort they put into me would not be wasted. Well, as much as they appreciated my honesty they went with another dude. A friend of mine does master control for ABC and he said they asked this dude to do the most basic of things mac related (its' been awhile) and he didn't know how to do it. His boss then decided to just train the guy to be what they needed him to be.
Lying definitely helped that guy. He's making 90k+ a year right now with less knowledge than me.
That doesn't mean I would lie or that I endorse lying but in my experience it has paid off for everyone who has done it which is very unfortunate for honest people like me.
I think this is standard knowledge now at this point. Lying gets you further sadly. It's unethical, and wrong to do, I don't endorse it, nor would I do it myself but you're point is spot on.
It's also the norm. You end up competing against super humans in the job market because they aren't representing themselves honestly. That's why I feel the need to read all of the books I am reading. I have to make myself ACTUALLY extremely good at my job to be able to market myself as such. It's an uphill battle. If I can ever find a mentor that I work with daily it's going to be huge for me.
