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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".
There has been, you just don't recognize it. My title could be called Krinkle Dink the Elf and it would be a thing, just unrecognized.
No, this is a job description field, not a gibberish some idiot wrote on a form field. No matter what someone in HR got wrong, there is no JOB called "system's administrator".
So you're saying I should give myself a title?
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There is only one Linux called "Red Hat" and it was discontinued over a decade ago. Red Hat Linux is long gone. But it is what you highlight on your resume. The current Linux that is what CentOS is based on is called RHEL or Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Getting the name of the top skill wrong is a big deal. It looks like you don't know the product that you are listing.
Also, you've never worked with any Windows prior to 2016?
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
A System Administrator is just that. There is not and never has been a thing called "System's Administrator".
There has been, you just don't recognize it. My title could be called Krinkle Dink the Elf and it would be a thing, just unrecognized.
No, this is a job description field, not a gibberish some idiot wrote on a form field. No matter what someone in HR got wrong, there is no JOB called "system's administrator".
So you're saying I should give myself a title?
No, you should be honest about your job, never post a lie or a title. Titles are totally useless. If you are lucky your job and your title are the same. But if I saw this and you put System Admin (even with the words right) you'd be straight to the bin for obviously lying. Title nor not, it's a lie to put it here.
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@scottalanmiller Then after I write these descriptions we will have to go over what to title myself as based on my description of the responsibilities
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I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
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@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
Seems like that should be the opposite. A mom and pop store shouldn't care about title they should care about work experience and skills. Actually no one should really be looking at a title it doesn't really mean a whole lot to the industry as a whole (outside of extremely large companies).
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@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
Seems like that should be the opposite. A mom and pop store shouldn't care about title they should care about work experience and skills. Actually no one should really be looking at a title it doesn't really mean a whole lot to the industry as a whole (outside of extremely large companies).
Here Here.
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@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
Seems like that should be the opposite. A mom and pop store shouldn't care about title they should care about work experience and skills. Actually no one should really be looking at a title it doesn't really mean a whole lot to the industry as a whole (outside of extremely large companies).
If I only took a job with people who understood this I'd be homeless though
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If somebody puts an outlandish title it likely means that they're coming from an environment we cant relate with or looking for a fluffer position that we aren't offering, that's why it could be seen as a negative. We work a lot in the automotive field, and it's pretty easy to spot somebody that just likes to progress through the ranks and may not actually bring much to the table.
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@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
If somebody puts an outlandish title it likely means that they're coming from an environment we cant relate with or looking for a fluffer position that we aren't offering, that's why it could be seen as a negative. We work a lot in the automotive field, and it's pretty easy to spot somebody that just likes to progress through the ranks and may not actually bring much to the table.
How do you progress through the ranks if you have nothing to offer though
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
If somebody puts an outlandish title it likely means that they're coming from an environment we cant relate with or looking for a fluffer position that we aren't offering, that's why it could be seen as a negative. We work a lot in the automotive field, and it's pretty easy to spot somebody that just likes to progress through the ranks and may not actually bring much to the table.
How do you progress through the ranks if you have nothing to offer though
OH, that's easier than you might think. But it realizes on being that scummy sales person you talked about, and finding bad hiring managers (bad meaning they don't do a good job of hiring good people).
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@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
If somebody puts an outlandish title it likely means that they're coming from an environment we cant relate with or looking for a fluffer position that we aren't offering, that's why it could be seen as a negative. We work a lot in the automotive field, and it's pretty easy to spot somebody that just likes to progress through the ranks and may not actually bring much to the table.
Hence why looking at a title means literally nothing. Look at work experience and skills. Those will tell you more about someone then a title ever could.
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We had that at my last company in the desktop support group. Management hired someone that looked good on paper, was a silver tongued devil, said all the right things, and management just glossed over.
When rubber met the road, the reality was he knew next to nothing, but he was hired as a tech level 2 (above me no less) and pawned all of his work off on me, mostly because he was unable to do it.
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@wirestyle22 Exactly why I said you should consider your audience. I don't know where you work now and I don't know what companies your applying at. I'm just saying if we're looking at a resume that said "senior petroleum logistics engineer" it's probably somebody that doesn't fit our culture.
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@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
Hence why looking at a title means literally nothing. Look at work experience and skills. Those will tell you more about someone then a title ever could.
This is kind of what I was getting at with my original comment, title means nothing to some people and everything to others
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@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can.
100% the opposite everywhere I've seen. Enterprise will can you for lying, SMBs demand that you lie. Some SMBs ignore titles, or claim to. But they love hearing things like "IT Manager", "IT Director" or CIO for someone who is just a normal, everyday IT generalist. It's the SMB and only in the SMB that I've ever seen titles used like this. Some enterprise somewhere uses false titles, of course, but by and large, it's always the SMB I've seen it in and not the enterprise. Partially because in the enterprise those titles HAVE to matter and in the SMB, we all know that the only job is "IT Generalist" so anything else is fake.
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@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
If somebody puts an outlandish title it likely means that they're coming from an environment we cant relate with or looking for a fluffer position that we aren't offering, that's why it could be seen as a negative. We work a lot in the automotive field, and it's pretty easy to spot somebody that just likes to progress through the ranks and may not actually bring much to the table.
Hence why looking at a title means literally nothing. Look at work experience and skills. Those will tell you more about someone then a title ever could.
It means a lot. People who lie about titles will lie about everything else. That's why we dont hire people using ridiculous titles on their resumes.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
I think a lot of the title stuff depends on your audience. In my experience, giant corporations love the ridiculous titles, where in small business, a title could easily land your resume directly in the garbage can. This is what we look at every day sifting through resumes, but then again, we are essentially a mom and pop shop.
Seems like that should be the opposite. A mom and pop store shouldn't care about title they should care about work experience and skills. Actually no one should really be looking at a title it doesn't really mean a whole lot to the industry as a whole (outside of extremely large companies).
If I only took a job with people who understood this I'd be homeless though
That's Spiceworks talk there. IT isn't that bad. Bad companies are rampant, but mostly in the SMB. Companies can't get large and operate that way, it just doesn't work. They have to manage at least moderately well or they fail.
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@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
If somebody puts an outlandish title it likely means that they're coming from an environment we cant relate with or looking for a fluffer position that we aren't offering, that's why it could be seen as a negative. We work a lot in the automotive field, and it's pretty easy to spot somebody that just likes to progress through the ranks and may not actually bring much to the table.
Or just lying. Most people just lie, that's, I've found, by far the more common thing.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@bnrstnr said in Feedback on Resume:
If somebody puts an outlandish title it likely means that they're coming from an environment we cant relate with or looking for a fluffer position that we aren't offering, that's why it could be seen as a negative. We work a lot in the automotive field, and it's pretty easy to spot somebody that just likes to progress through the ranks and may not actually bring much to the table.
How do you progress through the ranks if you have nothing to offer though
Huh? Through time and politics of course, that's how nearly all advancement takes place. What you have to offer is not of that much importance, especially in smaller shops. The smaller they are, the more likely that politics, nepotism, who you know and whatnot give you advancements and the less that quality of work does.
