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    • NerdyDadN
      NerdyDad @travisdh1
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      @travisdh1 So you do have a point there. It is still within my network but, like you said, at least I'm not seeing the ads anymore. This is both more of convenience and security.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @travisdh1
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        @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

        @NerdyDad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

        Currently my home lab consists of a Raspberry Pi B+ and Raspbian. I currently have Home-Assistant and Pi Hole. Not doing much with the Home Assistant but the Pi Hole is definitely saving us some internal bandwidth as its sucking out the ads of the web pages.

        So the Pi Hole is outside you're local network? You're still paying the bandwidth "bill" for those adds if it's local. At least you're not seeing the adds, which is a plus with most websites anymore.

        You don't save the bandwidth? I must be forgetting how it works - I thought it blocked the request to the ad pages?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @zuphzuph
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          @zuphzuph said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

          @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

          @zuphzuph said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

          Would I hire a hardware geek on the other hand? Yes, chances are this person knows at the very least BIOS configurations, tons of software solutions and has basic troubleshooting skills. I guess it would really come down to the role I was hiring this person for in the end.

          Maybe for bench work. Hardware geeks tend to hate IT.

          Hmm... I must be the exception, I only ended up in IT after building PCs as a child. Still a hardware nerd to this day, by having the occasional problem/issue I learned basic desktop troubleshooting. 😐

          There have to be crossovers, but there is no direct connection between the two since the tasks are totally unrelated.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

            Just no reason besides being in an IT generalist role that I have to deal with these kinds of tasks.

            It's being in IT Generalist + Bench Generalist that causes it.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

              I don't have any an issue in a small one man IT shop checking hardware - is it a waste of my salary - maybe/probably, but it's one of the reasons they have me here.

              To waste money? Interesting assessment 😉

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                @NerdyDad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                Currently my home lab consists of a Raspberry Pi B+ and Raspbian. I currently have Home-Assistant and Pi Hole. Not doing much with the Home Assistant but the Pi Hole is definitely saving us some internal bandwidth as its sucking out the ads of the web pages.

                So the Pi Hole is outside you're local network? You're still paying the bandwidth "bill" for those adds if it's local. At least you're not seeing the adds, which is a plus with most websites anymore.

                Ads are blocked by not being requested, even if you block them on the desktop you still save on the bandwidth.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                  @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                  @NerdyDad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                  Currently my home lab consists of a Raspberry Pi B+ and Raspbian. I currently have Home-Assistant and Pi Hole. Not doing much with the Home Assistant but the Pi Hole is definitely saving us some internal bandwidth as its sucking out the ads of the web pages.

                  So the Pi Hole is outside you're local network? You're still paying the bandwidth "bill" for those adds if it's local. At least you're not seeing the adds, which is a plus with most websites anymore.

                  You don't save the bandwidth? I must be forgetting how it works - I thought it blocked the request to the ad pages?

                  It does. It's not a pushed stream or something of that nature.

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                  • travisdh1T
                    travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                    @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                    @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                    @NerdyDad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                    Currently my home lab consists of a Raspberry Pi B+ and Raspbian. I currently have Home-Assistant and Pi Hole. Not doing much with the Home Assistant but the Pi Hole is definitely saving us some internal bandwidth as its sucking out the ads of the web pages.

                    So the Pi Hole is outside you're local network? You're still paying the bandwidth "bill" for those adds if it's local. At least you're not seeing the adds, which is a plus with most websites anymore.

                    You don't save the bandwidth? I must be forgetting how it works - I thought it blocked the request to the ad pages?

                    It does. It's not a pushed stream or something of that nature.

                    Huh, I need to look into this then. More like a proxy than the add blockers I'm used to then?

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                      @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                      I don't have any an issue in a small one man IT shop checking hardware - is it a waste of my salary - maybe/probably, but it's one of the reasons they have me here.

                      To waste money? Interesting assessment 😉

                      Well we already know that you believe that no company should have a one, or probably even two man IT department. Instead they should have a MSP taking care of them because they should save money this way.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @travisdh1
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                        @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                        @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                        @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                        @NerdyDad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                        Currently my home lab consists of a Raspberry Pi B+ and Raspbian. I currently have Home-Assistant and Pi Hole. Not doing much with the Home Assistant but the Pi Hole is definitely saving us some internal bandwidth as its sucking out the ads of the web pages.

                        So the Pi Hole is outside you're local network? You're still paying the bandwidth "bill" for those adds if it's local. At least you're not seeing the adds, which is a plus with most websites anymore.

                        You don't save the bandwidth? I must be forgetting how it works - I thought it blocked the request to the ad pages?

                        It does. It's not a pushed stream or something of that nature.

                        Huh, I need to look into this then. More like a proxy than the add blockers I'm used to then?

                        As far as I know most if not all ad blockers work by preventing the browser from making a request to an ad network - thereby saving all bandwidth.

                        Do you know something that works by downloading the content, then just preventing it from displaying? While there is the possible advantage of getting past some paywalls that way, I'm sure scripting could be setup so the content providers would know the ad wasn't actually displayed, so in the long run, it wouldn't help much.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @travisdh1
                          last edited by

                          @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                          @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                          @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                          @NerdyDad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                          Currently my home lab consists of a Raspberry Pi B+ and Raspbian. I currently have Home-Assistant and Pi Hole. Not doing much with the Home Assistant but the Pi Hole is definitely saving us some internal bandwidth as its sucking out the ads of the web pages.

                          So the Pi Hole is outside you're local network? You're still paying the bandwidth "bill" for those adds if it's local. At least you're not seeing the adds, which is a plus with most websites anymore.

                          You don't save the bandwidth? I must be forgetting how it works - I thought it blocked the request to the ad pages?

                          It does. It's not a pushed stream or something of that nature.

                          Huh, I need to look into this then. More like a proxy than the add blockers I'm used to then?

                          They ALL do the same thing... stop the request from happening in the first place.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                            @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                            I don't have any an issue in a small one man IT shop checking hardware - is it a waste of my salary - maybe/probably, but it's one of the reasons they have me here.

                            To waste money? Interesting assessment 😉

                            Well we already know that you believe that no company should have a one, or probably even two man IT department. Instead they should have a MSP taking care of them because they should save money this way.

                            Correct. All businesses should strive to do business well. Distilled to the highest level there 😉

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                              @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                              @Dashrender said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                              @travisdh1 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                              @NerdyDad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                              Currently my home lab consists of a Raspberry Pi B+ and Raspbian. I currently have Home-Assistant and Pi Hole. Not doing much with the Home Assistant but the Pi Hole is definitely saving us some internal bandwidth as its sucking out the ads of the web pages.

                              So the Pi Hole is outside you're local network? You're still paying the bandwidth "bill" for those adds if it's local. At least you're not seeing the adds, which is a plus with most websites anymore.

                              You don't save the bandwidth? I must be forgetting how it works - I thought it blocked the request to the ad pages?

                              It does. It's not a pushed stream or something of that nature.

                              Huh, I need to look into this then. More like a proxy than the add blockers I'm used to then?

                              As far as I know most if not all ad blockers work by preventing the browser from making a request to an ad network - thereby saving all bandwidth.

                              Do you know something that works by downloading the content, then just preventing it from displaying? While there is the possible advantage of getting past some paywalls that way, I'm sure scripting could be setup so the content providers would know the ad wasn't actually displayed, so in the long run, it wouldn't help much.

                              All, most definitely. There is certainly no exception to that.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                This topic came up on SW today and I noted something there that I think might have been missed here and is well worth discussing - one of the key reasons that you want people who are doing IT at home is because those people are more likely to be passionate about IT and bring that passion to work. Happy workers are good workers. But more than that, I don't want to create jobs that people hate. Why hire someone into a job that they inherently dislike and don't want to do when there is someone that actively wants to do that job waiting in line for it? Makes no sense to punish someone that doesn't want to do the job and punish someone who does want it by hiring the person who doesn't like doing the work.

                                You should WANT to take your work home with you. If you love what you do, there is no reason to desire leaving it behind. Likewise, I'd never ask people to forget their families when they come to work. The idea that work is a place to ruin your life for 40+ hours a week is insane. If someone dislikes IT, it would be best for everyone if they found a career that they loved. Certainly better for them, more than anyone.

                                It's not about company greed, hiring passionate people is literally a form of compassion.

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                                • NerdyDadN
                                  NerdyDad @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                                  This topic came up on SW today and I noted something there that I think might have been missed here and is well worth discussing - one of the key reasons that you want people who are doing IT at home is because those people are more likely to be passionate about IT and bring that passion to work. Happy workers are good workers. But more than that, I don't want to create jobs that people hate. Why hire someone into a job that they inherently dislike and don't want to do when there is someone that actively wants to do that job waiting in line for it? Makes no sense to punish someone that doesn't want to do the job and punish someone who does want it by hiring the person who doesn't like doing the work.

                                  You should WANT to take your work home with you. If you love what you do, there is no reason to desire leaving it behind. Likewise, I'd never ask people to forget their families when they come to work. The idea that work is a place to ruin your life for 40+ hours a week is insane. If someone dislikes IT, it would be best for everyone if they found a career that they loved. Certainly better for them, more than anyone.

                                  It's not about company greed, hiring passionate people is literally a form of compassion.

                                  If you don't love what you do, then why do it?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @NerdyDad
                                    last edited by

                                    @nerdydad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                                    This topic came up on SW today and I noted something there that I think might have been missed here and is well worth discussing - one of the key reasons that you want people who are doing IT at home is because those people are more likely to be passionate about IT and bring that passion to work. Happy workers are good workers. But more than that, I don't want to create jobs that people hate. Why hire someone into a job that they inherently dislike and don't want to do when there is someone that actively wants to do that job waiting in line for it? Makes no sense to punish someone that doesn't want to do the job and punish someone who does want it by hiring the person who doesn't like doing the work.

                                    You should WANT to take your work home with you. If you love what you do, there is no reason to desire leaving it behind. Likewise, I'd never ask people to forget their families when they come to work. The idea that work is a place to ruin your life for 40+ hours a week is insane. If someone dislikes IT, it would be best for everyone if they found a career that they loved. Certainly better for them, more than anyone.

                                    It's not about company greed, hiring passionate people is literally a form of compassion.

                                    If you don't love what you do, then why do it?

                                    Exactly. In the SW thread, the first thing that I noticed is how much people who didn't like the idea of having a home lab literaly hated their jobs (and I assume, their lives.) They said things like they would never bring their personal life to work and they'd never bring their job home (and by extension, their career - they seem to connect their job as the sole manifestation of their own careers, which makes no sense - very 1890s industry factory worker mentality.)

                                    I would never want people to ignore their families and personal lives when they come to work. What an awful thing to expect. And I'd hate to hire people who hate their jobs and see coming to work as some sort of punishment for being human. The expectation that work is awful is palpable.

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                                    • black3dynamiteB
                                      black3dynamite @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                                      They said things like they would never bring their personal life to work and they'd never bring their job home (and by extension, their career

                                      Never bringing their job home can also applies to how bad their employer is.

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                                      • black3dynamiteB
                                        black3dynamite
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                                        I've been repeatably telling students about having a home lab that can help a lot with the lessons they learn in school and to add to their resume.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
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                                          @black3dynamite said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                                          They said things like they would never bring their personal life to work and they'd never bring their job home (and by extension, their career

                                          Never bringing their job home can also applies to how bad their employer is.

                                          Except they make this decision before looking at employers. So that doesn't apply here. They seem to seek bad employers.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
                                            last edited by

                                            @black3dynamite said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:

                                            I've been repeatably telling students about having a home lab that can help a lot with the lessons they learn in school and to add to their resume.

                                            What's amazing is that people need to be told these things. It seems so obvious to me, and nothing to do with IT. If you want to be a painter, wouldn't you paint at home? If you wanted to be a writer, would you not write at home? If you wanted to be a musician, would you not practice at home?

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