Logical IT Certification Progression
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@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Yeah - I agree. In the NT4.0 days, the book designed for the test in question never covered the test material. I found that reading one book ahead was required (MS Press books).
As for the test itself. I think I needed something like an 820 to pass, and I got an 820 on the first MS test I took. After that, and learning the need to read ahead, they were pretty easy and I felt prepared, scored a few perfect scores, but luckily never scraped by the skin of my teeth like that first one.
Oh yeah, I remember that. You always needed to read at least one cert book ahead.
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Example of what you mean?
You have to understand their thought process in their questions. It takes an exam or two to pick it up. It's hard to explain, but if there is something new in 2012 vs 2008 and you are testing for 2012 you can be 100% sure they will test on all the new features (major and minor)
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Example of what you mean?
Well for me it was that you had to read one book ahead. Read book 1, take the test, and you're damned lucky if you don't fail it. While reading book 2, you see all the things they asked about in test 1, and realize you need to read books 2 and 3 before you even consider taking test 2.
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@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Example of what you mean?
Well for me it was that you had to read one book ahead. Read book 1, take the test, and you're damned lucky if you don't fail it. While reading book 2, you see all the things they asked about in test 1, and realize you need to read books 2 and 3 before you even consider taking test 2.
That's what I found too. The material for the one exam was not in that exam's material but in the material for a different exam topic. It was a bit of a problem, especially if you were focused on a single exam or topic and didn't know where they might be hiding the material that you needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@Brains said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
Haha I took my A+ when we still had to memorize the IRQ Assignments. Kids these days have now idea how much easier that test is now. Still worthless, but at least it taught me all my IRQs when I was 17.
I remember 0 IRQs now even though I had to know them for the test lol.
Oh yeah, totally useless. Never needed them back then either. I've been in IT since 1989 and that's never been useful, not once.
I am not as old as some of you guys, but what I remember is the only time you need to touch the IRQs was if there was a conflict with another device. The only way that would happen is if you installed a card, removed it. Then installed a new card and reinstalled the old one.
Yeah, not something that normal people ran into and even less likely for IT people to run into.
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@Brains said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
Haha I took my A+ when we still had to memorize the IRQ Assignments. Kids these days have now idea how much easier that test is now. Still worthless, but at least it taught me all my IRQs when I was 17.
I remember 0 IRQs now even though I had to know them for the test lol.
Oh yeah, totally useless. Never needed them back then either. I've been in IT since 1989 and that's never been useful, not once.
I am not as old as some of you guys, but what I remember is the only time you need to touch the IRQs was if there was a conflict with another device. The only way that would happen is if you installed a card, removed it. Then installed a new card and reinstalled the old one.
Yeah, not something that normal people ran into and even less likely for IT people to run into.
There have been a few situations, like (re)adding or rearranging terminal (serial port) cards, network cards (3C509/PCN2000 anyone?) or SCSI cards for scanners for example.
But yes, IRQ conflicts are a thing of the past nowadays.
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@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Example of what you mean?
Well for me it was that you had to read one book ahead. Read book 1, take the test, and you're damned lucky if you don't fail it. While reading book 2, you see all the things they asked about in test 1, and realize you need to read books 2 and 3 before you even consider taking test 2.
This sounds like more of a problem with MS's training books than with the tests themselves.
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Example of what you mean?
Well for me it was that you had to read one book ahead. Read book 1, take the test, and you're damned lucky if you don't fail it. While reading book 2, you see all the things they asked about in test 1, and realize you need to read books 2 and 3 before you even consider taking test 2.
This sounds like more of a problem with MS's training books than with the tests themselves.
What if you studied with non-MS training materials?Back then there weren't many options. I haven't studied for MS test that way since then, I don't know if it has changed or not.
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@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I agree with this 100% as someone who went the A+, Net +, MCSA track. A+ didn't teach me anything useful. It was a test just to get a piece of paper to help me get a job. Unfortunately, many IT companies require A+ or at least look at it like it should be a requirement.
Net+ is just basic networking knowledge and yes anyone in IT should know the material on there. Even HelpDesk techs could benefit from understanding networking. I feel like there are some desktop techs who don't really understand what a firewall, switch, or router really is. They would benefit greatly from Net+. While I believe Network+ was a decent certification, I would take CCENT if I had to do it over. The material is similiar and it gives you the option to continue to the CCNA track. CCENT is cisco focused, but most of it is learning networking that works the same with any device.
I never took Server+ or Security+. After taking A+ and Net+ I really wasn't too impressed with CompTIA.
I would say almost anyone would benefit from studying the network+ material
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I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Security+ > SSCP
Server+ > MCSA (maybe RHEL cert if desired).
I have nothing for A+... it's just terrible.
That's only if someone really feels they want and/or need certifications and want to continue.
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@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
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@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
That's interesting. I thought CCENT was worthless, but that is a good reason to get it provided you are going a cisco route
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@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
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@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I would like to go down the Microsoft tract into servers and software development I think.
Microsoft isn't bad, but they do test a certain way. Once you learn their testing thought process, the tests are fairly easy. The first time you take a MS test, it can through you for a loop.
Example of what you mean?
Well for me it was that you had to read one book ahead. Read book 1, take the test, and you're damned lucky if you don't fail it. While reading book 2, you see all the things they asked about in test 1, and realize you need to read books 2 and 3 before you even consider taking test 2.
This sounds like more of a problem with MS's training books than with the tests themselves.
What if you studied with non-MS training materials?Back then there weren't many options. I haven't studied for MS test that way since then, I don't know if it has changed or not.
It wasn't that way in Windows 2012. Back when I took Windows 2000 you were basically tested on all 7 books at once when taking your MCSE tests.
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@wirestyle22 said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I agree with this 100% as someone who went the A+, Net +, MCSA track. A+ didn't teach me anything useful. It was a test just to get a piece of paper to help me get a job. Unfortunately, many IT companies require A+ or at least look at it like it should be a requirement.
Net+ is just basic networking knowledge and yes anyone in IT should know the material on there. Even HelpDesk techs could benefit from understanding networking. I feel like there are some desktop techs who don't really understand what a firewall, switch, or router really is. They would benefit greatly from Net+. While I believe Network+ was a decent certification, I would take CCENT if I had to do it over. The material is similiar and it gives you the option to continue to the CCNA track. CCENT is cisco focused, but most of it is learning networking that works the same with any device.
I never took Server+ or Security+. After taking A+ and Net+ I really wasn't too impressed with CompTIA.
I would say almost anyone would benefit from studying the network+ material
My Net+ books were great. Lots of "basic" info, foundational stuff, general stuff, multiple platforms, lots of reference material, etc etc. Hours doing IP address conversions, subnetting, binary math.
The test was just the icing on the cake. It's cheap enough, and "proves" some level of foundation. Otherwise you still have nothing left to show for studies. -
@guyinpv I'm saying anyone as in, even typical users. It's 2016--we use computers for everything. People should know how they work to some degree. Why do people know how to maintain their car but not their computer?
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@wirestyle22 said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I agree with this 100% as someone who went the A+, Net +, MCSA track. A+ didn't teach me anything useful. It was a test just to get a piece of paper to help me get a job. Unfortunately, many IT companies require A+ or at least look at it like it should be a requirement.
Net+ is just basic networking knowledge and yes anyone in IT should know the material on there. Even HelpDesk techs could benefit from understanding networking. I feel like there are some desktop techs who don't really understand what a firewall, switch, or router really is. They would benefit greatly from Net+. While I believe Network+ was a decent certification, I would take CCENT if I had to do it over. The material is similiar and it gives you the option to continue to the CCNA track. CCENT is cisco focused, but most of it is learning networking that works the same with any device.
I never took Server+ or Security+. After taking A+ and Net+ I really wasn't too impressed with CompTIA.
I would say almost anyone would benefit from studying the network+ material
My Net+ books were great. Lots of "basic" info, foundational stuff, general stuff, multiple platforms, lots of reference material, etc etc. Hours doing IP address conversions, subnetting, binary math.
The test was just the icing on the cake. It's cheap enough, and "proves" some level of foundation. Otherwise you still have nothing left to show for studies.It was the Exam Cram books for me. Back around 1998 - 2002 those books were excellent quality. Worth keeping as technical reference.
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@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
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Great post and well said. This is similar advice to what I give... but much more thoroughly thought out and written.
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@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
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@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
@BBigford said in Logical IT Certification Progression:
I think that progression is listed fairly well for a working foundation. To add to that (in no particular order)...
Network+ > CCNA
Why not CCENT > CCNA? CCENT is basically the same as Network+, but gives you credit towards CCNA
Because it costs money and, as you said, it's basically the same thing. I've told people to just keep studying and skip it if they already have the Net+. Assuming they want to keep going and are considering the CCENT because they think it holds more merit than the Net+ as far as difficulty and industry recognition goes. Only reason is I think it's just a waste of money when someone could spend more time studying for the CCNA and just go ahead and test on that.
Just my opinion though.
I agree, I'd rather have the Net+ and the CCNA because it's two totally different exams and tests. The CCENT is pointless if you get the CCNA.
Eli the computer guy abhors the CCNA. Not sure the story on that.
Probably saturation. He probably sees the CCNA now as people saw the A+ more than 5 years ago. Also probably has to do with being vendor specific for being so regarded... instead of something that is truly standard.
