I think I'm probably being very hypocritical in this thread because security is one of my biggest weaknesses knowledge wise. I might be turning into one of my users where I don't fully understand the situation and instead of accepting that fact I try to apply every day logic to the situation where it doesn't really apply.

If that's the case here guys I apologize--not that anyone is jumping on me. I'm just trying to be self-aware.

@scottalanmiller said:

Like the Alien and Sedition Acts. They were great, for that one case of one powerful figure trying to destabilize the government, but outside of that one threat, they were horrible and dangerous and, unlike most things, reversed. The idea for which they were founded was good, the reality of what they meant, was not.

It's a slippery slope. Haven't we learned that designing software, thinking no one will use it for evil, is extremely idealistic?

@art_of_shred said:

Between precedent and law of unintended consequences, I don't see how any thinking person could buy that it would be used strictly as stated and never be leaked/hacked, and never used by government agencies in whatever way they internally justify as acceptable. This is the typical model for the erosion of freedoms in the good ol' USA. Create something that should never be and that no one wants, because there is an extreme case that is so important that the public decides it would be ok, but only in this case. Then, it becomes institutionalized, and it's on the books. Once a mechanism is institutionalized, the only limitation is in the definition of the terms surrounding utilization. Definitions are changed over time, and the powerful "tool" becomes another weapon to be used against whoever we want to call an offender, as defined by whoever wields the power to define the terms. Freedom sacrificed in the name of security yields tyranny. It's not a new idea.

They haven't realized that security through obscurity doesn't work yet I suppose.

@Sparkum said:

@wirestyle22
Ya 100%

But to be completely blunt with you, the higher ups see the invoice plain and simple.

They don't see what we do day in and day out.

That's unfortunate. I understand. I'm in the same position here at my company. It won't stop me from fighting to do things the right way and eventually make myself obsolete--which is essentially what I'm doing. They will most likely have someone working here per diem.

@Sparkum said:

@wirestyle22

Server already existed so its a blind cost (sort of speaking) we just added another virtual, and honestly we haven't touched it since it went into production.
Other than adding a user here or there, but we would be doing the same process with O365 as we would in house for that

So I would say as of today we are definitely ahead.

You do need to perform refreshes though which is an added cost every few years. Also, you will eventually run into problems and need to perform maintenance. These are all costs. You are doing that instead of something else beneficial to the company, you know what I mean?

@Minion-Queen said:

Nothing with any branch of governmental agency is a 'one time" thing. If they force them to do this then it will be used to spy and get what they want in any and all things. We already know that they have spied on the US population for no apparent reason other than they wanted to.

"for our benefit"

It's encroaching on our liberty. For a long time if you went to www.google.cn (China's google) and you searched Tiananmen Square in the images it would be blurred out entirely. You can't let the the FBI, or government for that matter, control information in any capacity IMO.

@Sparkum said:

@Dashrender

Honestly it just 100% came down to price,

We only had a small portion of users on O365 (20-30 if I remember) and IMO we probably chose the wrong plan for how we operate.

But the simpe math of $12.50 * 30 = $375/month (Not sure if that was the exact pricing just googled in quickly) * 12 =$4500/year

Just didnt seem worth it to us.

If we had done the $5 plan maybe, but for what we are doing in house works just fine.

Even if you calculate the cost the server and the man hours you dedicate to maintain it?

@Dashrender said:

That may be true, but it's also the future.

I'm currently still on 2010 and need to move. I plan to push to O365 this summer, so I'll have to get used to that one way or the other.

I'm in the same position. Doing research on cloud based services, software based VPN w/ Azure, O365, ODFB and maybe bitium for SSO or something. I still don't know a lot just in general so I'm trying to study about it but I'm going through a masters program right now in addition to working full time.

@NattNatt said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@NattNatt said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@johnhooks said:

I've never had an interview where they gave me lunch.

Been a long time since I had one when they didn't. I've had them where we go to a restaurant. Some where a catering crew come in for it. Some they eat in the offices. All kinds of things.

Facebook: Eat on campus to show the campus stuff
Amazon: Walk to a restaurant in the neighbourhood
Change: Pizza at a house
BW: Catered lunch from a personal chef

Some that I remember. I know one in Cleveland the whole team went to a lunch at a restaurant and did something like pizza. Nothing fancy but a good chance for everyone to talk.

SAM casually name dropping.....

OT: Just sorted 3 different printer tickets - one person's PC had changed the port from the IP to WSD...so switched it back and thats sorted...one department have just got a new Printer, so installed that (they replaced a network one with the "new model"...that DOESN'T have a network port, so I installed via USB cable and shared over the network...) and one just being a printer...

Print server? if not avoid at all costs

What..? We have a print server yes, but I don't get the question here.

Never mind. I misread it. Misfiring neurons

I set mine as my screen saver so when I leave my computer logged in under the administrator account for longer than 30 minutes (every day) it forces me to login again--which is annoying and everyone here says is pointless (I agree). That way I never forget my password.

/heavy sarcasm

@NattNatt said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@johnhooks said:

I've never had an interview where they gave me lunch.

Been a long time since I had one when they didn't. I've had them where we go to a restaurant. Some where a catering crew come in for it. Some they eat in the offices. All kinds of things.

Facebook: Eat on campus to show the campus stuff
Amazon: Walk to a restaurant in the neighbourhood
Change: Pizza at a house
BW: Catered lunch from a personal chef

Some that I remember. I know one in Cleveland the whole team went to a lunch at a restaurant and did something like pizza. Nothing fancy but a good chance for everyone to talk.

SAM casually name dropping.....

OT: Just sorted 3 different printer tickets - one person's PC had changed the port from the IP to WSD...so switched it back and thats sorted...one department have just got a new Printer, so installed that (they replaced a network one with the "new model"...that DOESN'T have a network port, so I installed via USB cable and shared over the network...) and one just being a printer...

Print server? if not avoid at all costs

@scottalanmiller said:

That's what I treated it as. I'm honestly thinking that he might just leave completely. Giving him the full benefit of the doubt is a bit like trolling the troll.

I operate under the assumption that I'm almost never 100% correct so I like to prepare people for that when I make a recommendation or post anything. I think people respect honesty and I try to be as humble as I can be. It's easy to maintain relationships online or offline that way.

@scottalanmiller said:

@NattNatt said:

In before the kid doesn't take the hint and says he wasn't being sarcastic and he was being serious...

Exactly. I gave him an easy out and the benefit of the doubt. He only looks like an idiot or a troll if he chooses to.

"It was a prank bro"

@johnhooks said:

I guess I could SSH from my phone and switch to port 443, but I don't care that much. I can't use my VPN either because I have no internet at home still.

You've got some first world problems going on over there. I wish I had a Sheetz that was blocking my ports.

@scottalanmiller said:

What the sheetz, Sheetz?

upgraded WaWa

@DustinB3403 said:

I've been playing Warframe as of late. It's a ton of fun if anyone wants to join me some time let me know.

There is a game that started out bad and evolved over time into something good (from what I hear)

Did this thread evolve or de-evolve? I can't tell

@StrongBad said:

Have you tried the Steam Controller? It does a pretty awesome job of dealing with those old keyboard-only games.

That's an interesting use for it. I'm in the market for a controller but I've heard a lot of people complaining about the stream controller. Maybe I'll give it a shot.

@Dashrender said:

@Dashrender said:

OK 30-40 mins in and XenServer is now booting from the SD card for the first time.

and of course I screwed up and choose the SD card for the VM storage - rebuilding again this time picking my RAID 10 for the VM storage. - it's almost done.

You're among friends You virtually never learn from doing it the right way

Street Fighter V release day. Yet another thing to kill my free time--which I shouldn't even have right now