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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      So in other words - there is totally an option - they are just corrupt.

      Israel is an example of how democracy can be severely abused. This causes huge government spending that never reaches the general taxpaying population. Not having that spending will hurt the democratic process there.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      Also presumably far less needed. In the US a car is pretty important. In Tel Aviv, isn't there good public transportation for a large amount of the population? It's a very dense country by comparison.

      The worst public transportation I've seen anywhere, except Cambodia. Maybe.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      But the insurance companies themselves offering lower prices to their customers has nothing to do with taxes.

      And the fact that a company paying out a part of that group benefit is having that expense recognized as a tax deductible doesn't ring a bell then?

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      why is it not an option? What stops the government from lowing taxes?

      Greed. Corruption. Insane military spending (the only viable reason actually, considering who their neighbours are). Messed up democratic process, causing well organized partizan parties to blackmail the entire country into giving them a free-for-all. I could go on and on

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      That's just more corruption - again the taxes are being used to drive this fake economy. If taxes were more normal/fair, then people would buy their own cars, driving the prices down, and more money to be spent in free enterprises.

      That is not an option over there unfortunately. I'm talking about what was happening in given conditions, not about how to change the way the government works in a particular country. Moreover, I was unhappy enough with the way things were over there to have immigrated 9000km away.

      The entire car leasing thing would have kept working, if the government didn't decide it's a taxable benefit, and raised the tax to the point it was cheaper to just buy a car (double the normal price and all)

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      That's a false comparison to make the corruption sound reasonable. The alternatives are not the taxes staying higher, but lowering evenly across the board.

      Lowering taxes is not an option over there. One of the main painpoints that made me leave.

      If you feel that the government keeping money never goes back to the economy, then you believe that the corruption is even worse that we were saying.

      Government spending is not under the control of the citizens, whatever we all want to believe. I'm pretty sure your government doesn't give you an account of where each dollar you paid in taxes went.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      Right, that's people getting paid for something that wouldn't be needed except for a corrupt tax dodge.

      Are group benefits a corrupt tax dodge?

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      See @dyasny situation was different - every company he worked at for 20 years offered the car as part of his compensation, so likely he didn't own one himself. So that changes things.

      LOL 16, not 20 🙂 I left that particular country after that

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      You had the option to refuse the car, and get some cash value instead? Clearly you did the math and found that keeping the car was more financially sound, right?

      absolutely. Nobody is stupid

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      Higher pay retains people too, and better I'd argue. I'll take pay over a car any day, in fact, I'd rather not have a car at all.

      Look at it as if these were health benefits. As a group, you get better individual terms from an insurance company. The same happened with car leases. Of course, if you prefer to go without, you can, but the cash difference is laughable compared to the cost of leasing the same car privately. In Israel, public transport is total crap, so pretty much everyone needs to have a car to get around. And cars are double the US price for the same model (100% import tax). So it was really worth it, while it lasted.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      I have a car. I'd want the cash thanks...

      Another data point - cars in the UK are dirt cheap. In Israel there is 100% import tax on a car, so anything that costs $50k will be $100k there, and that's before VAT, fees, markups etc

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender reducing taxes is never an option there, unfortunately. I was paying 56% before I left.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      But the reason for giving the car was to save the company money - not because the employee wanted a car more than they wanted cash.

      There were more reasons than that. Even when the companies stopped making more money than they knew what to do with, company cars were a group benefit. An employee would pay something for the lease, but much less than he would be paying if he bought or leased a car on his own. A large IT company with a park of several thousand leased cars could get really good terms from the leasing company, and paying the initial downpayment, covering the gas, and paying a portion of the lease are all tax deductibles. Everyone wins

      Cash would normally be the more desirable perk versus a car or other benefit - unless the benefit provided via the company was considerable less than what the employee could get it directly for.

      When you get health benefits from a company, are they usually better than if you got the same conditions on your own? Why should companies provide health and dental if it's not a good business model for them? Same principle, only with car leases (in the latter stage). Imagine those health benefits costing you nothing, company covers 100% (that's how the cars were in the earlier stages), would you prefer not to take them?

      Not saying it's bad - just saying each employee might want something different.

      It was absolutely optional

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @JaredBusch said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      That is totally creating fake jobs. Jobs that exist for no reason. Why should a company pay to lease cars it doesn't need? It could simply pay out mileage or some other small compensation that costs a ton less than leasing vehicles.

      The company would make more profit, hopefully invest that back into growing the company more and creating a good cycle of growth.

      No, the company would simply pay more taxes and instead of letting employees have better conditions, only the government benefits.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @scottalanmiller car resellers made their money, but they also hire people, and there's fleet management, repairs, towing etc etc etc. There was no law in place, in fact it was a law that eventually ended up killing that industry, but while it lasted, it kept thousands of families employed.

      Any money that is sent into circulation is better than being put in a pocket. Taxes are quite often yet another pocket (or they get spent on bs like funding foreign interests which doesn't promote anything locally). Money spent in the local market on whatever, generates jobs, because money spent means demand, and demand has to be met by supply. Government encouraging companies to do that by lowering taxes is doing itself a favour, as well as the economy in general.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @IRJ said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      Spending money for the sake of spending money and creating fake jobs because of it, is just smoke and mirrors. No real world problem is solved. It's ok though because we can just print more money. Economic Stimulus is nice and all, but it is really just a temp solution. You cant keep throwing out money to solve issues that dont exists. This is the kind of stuff that builds up over time and creates issues. You need to find a real solution of the long term that provides value.

      Nothing fake about creating jobs there. I have friends who worked for those fleet management companies, and the food they put on the table was real enough.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender there's also a value in providing a benefit, employee retention is an important metric which translates to dollars. And a car is so much more than a coffee machine.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      Got it! So, again, I'm back to - the company just wanted to give everyone a car as a benefit... it had nothing to do with the actual job. It didn't actually help the company save money (other than as you mentioned, as an employee benefit), but @dyasny didn't seem to be implying that - or I completely misread what he was saying.

      A company spending money in the local market is always (ok, maybe not in the US) encouraged to do so, instead of putting money in their pockets. Leasing all those cars created an entire industry of various fleet management companies, with tens of thousands of people employed. Of course the government would encourage such behaviour.

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    • RE: Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be

      @Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

      This is simply not true.

      OK, you obviously know more about it, never having been there or seeing that situation first hand 🙂

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    • RE: MongoDB vs. Redis

      @jmoore said in MongoDB vs. Redis:

      ... I don't see how just using some flashy marketing terms would actually get good talent.

      my point exactly! 🙂

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