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    • BRRABillB
      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
      last edited by

      @scottalanmiller said

      Not very long. Totally not how they are meant to be used. Their utility is in being a write once, read many device. In fact, I'd recommend hitting that little lock option on the side if it is available.

      Ooooh, the server really wouldn't like that!

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
        last edited by

        This point just came up, again, on SW. SAN promoted not because SANs are reliable, but because servers must not be. This assumption drives so many recommendations, it's crazy.

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        • dafyreD
          dafyre @scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          @scottalanmiller said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

          This point just came up, again, on SW. SAN promoted not because SANs are reliable, but because servers must not be. This assumption drives so many recommendations, it's crazy.

          As you had a hard time convincing me, originally... It's all about perception.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            What's humorous in this one particular example, is that the server and SAN would come from the same vendor. Which is common. And someone asked the vendor to speak up. But the vendor is trapped. Because the question has to be framed as a relative safety concern and for an IPOD to be sensible the SAN must be orders of magnitude safer than the servers. Which means that the storage team would be forced to throw the server team (who makes their SANs for them) under the bus in order to sell the SAN, which in doing so would make their SANs look bad by being built by the very team that they just said could not make reliable gear.

            I guarantee the vendor is going to stay out of it. Even if the servers were not reliable, they would not be in a position to say anything. But the servers are extremely reliable.

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            • C
              Carnival Boy @BRRABill
              last edited by Carnival Boy

              @BRRABill said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

              I am more afraid of the software ON the server than the server itself.

              Oh, and recently, USB boot devices. 🙂

              Yeah, main causes of downtime:

              1. Humans
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              I had a RAID controller fail on me on a fairly new Proliant recently. That wasn't nice. But HP said it was a firmware issue and upgraded the firmware. So even what I thought was a hardware failure was actually software - not that it makes any difference as the server is still down.

              Basically, it seems that if it doesn't move, it doesn't fail.

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @Carnival Boy
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                @Carnival-Boy Software is written by humans, so couldn't we condense that down to?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                  @travisdh1 said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

                  @Carnival-Boy Software is written by humans, so couldn't we condense that down to?

                  1. Humans
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                  But hardware is made by humans. So...

                  1. Humans.
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                  • travisdh1T
                    travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

                    @travisdh1 said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

                    @Carnival-Boy Software is written by humans, so couldn't we condense that down to?

                    1. Humans
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                    2. Hardware

                    But hardware is made by humans. So...

                    1. Humans.

                    We have a winner!

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @travisdh1
                      last edited by

                      @travisdh1 said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

                      @scottalanmiller said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

                      @travisdh1 said in How Reliable Is Your Server:

                      @Carnival-Boy Software is written by humans, so couldn't we condense that down to?

                      1. Humans
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                      2. Hardware

                      But hardware is made by humans. So...

                      1. Humans.

                      We have a winner!

                      Even humans are made by other humans. Meta human failure!

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        Adding in @HPEStorageGuy as we were discussing this exact topic a few minute ago on SW in another thread.

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