So we are leaving..............
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@NattNatt said in So we are leaving..............:
My point of view: I'm scared.
Yes, no-one knows what will happen, but to be left without any legal support from Brussels on the important issues? That's scary. No forced adaption of the European Convention for Human Rights? Nothing stopping the tories from selling off the NHS/Privatising it/Charging for its use (as many of the main Leave campaigners have openly said/supported)? And that's ignoring the fact the majority of NHS workers are foreign.
It's the Tories that have devastated our NHS through constant cuts, not the EU. The Tories that are getting rid of the NHS-Training bursaries. The Tories that have slashed funding to ALL the emergency services in recent years, the Tories that have overseen the largest closure of cottage hospitals... And now there is nothing stopping them from continuing along that vein.
Markets are more than a bit unstable...I've lost 30% of my pension overnight. Our currency is at the lowest point in ALL the time I've been alive. A campaign of fear and false facts won over reason in my eyes.
All very valid points. I hope when we make our own rules we make them fair and work for the people. That is a risk. A huge one, but its worth a shot as being rules by a different entity removes our control.
Investors have seen what was happening with the vote and have moved money around to try to make a profit from the vote. After then initial shock it will all come back (I hope ha). Give it time...
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As a catch-up/quick recap to people who are unaware
@Jimmy9008 said in So we are leaving..............:
@NattNatt said in So we are leaving..............:
My point of view: I'm scared.
Yes, no-one knows what will happen, but to be left without any legal support from Brussels on the important issues? That's scary. No forced adaption of the European Convention for Human Rights? Nothing stopping the tories from selling off the NHS/Privatising it/Charging for its use (as many of the main Leave campaigners have openly said/supported)? And that's ignoring the fact the majority of NHS workers are foreign.
It's the Tories that have devastated our NHS through constant cuts, not the EU. The Tories that are getting rid of the NHS-Training bursaries. The Tories that have slashed funding to ALL the emergency services in recent years, the Tories that have overseen the largest closure of cottage hospitals... And now there is nothing stopping them from continuing along that vein.
Markets are more than a bit unstable...I've lost 30% of my pension overnight. Our currency is at the lowest point in ALL the time I've been alive. A campaign of fear and false facts won over reason in my eyes.
All very valid points. I hope when we make our own rules we make them fair and work for the people. That is a risk. A huge one, but its worth a shot as being rules by a different entity removes our control.
Investors have seen what was happening with the vote and have moved money around to try to make a profit from the vote. After then initial shock it will all come back (I hope ha). Give it time...
it will certainly be interesting to see what happens, although I expect it to get worse before it gets better personally...especially with the Tories in power looking after their friends first before the disabled/old/poor who need the help more than anyone right now...
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@scottalanmiller said
Not shocked at all, I've predicted this since the referendum was called. From the US side, it looks firmly like the UK was looking to Trump and following the US election and using that propaganda at home. Trump certainly can be president and I honestly think is likely to be.
If you look at the reasoning for the exit, it sounds like Trump wrote it.
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@scottalanmiller said in So we are leaving..............:
And don't get me wrong, I don't think that the UK is "better together" but I also don't feel that the US is "better together." I'm a pro-Texas independence thinker and also feel that the west and east coasts should not be a unified nation but rather a group of loosely affiliated regions more like the EU than the current US. Too much difference between the regions ideologically.
Here here! The main thing that concerns me with a break up of the US, is what happens to the fly over states? Would they actually have more or less money then they have today?
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The EU will do whatever it takes to punish the UK. They can't allow a successful Brexit or other nations will follow.
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@IRJ said in So we are leaving..............:
The EU will do whatever it takes to punish the UK. They can't allow a successful Brexit or other nations will follow.
that's seems much less likely if for no other reason than the shared currency, but I have no idea what I'm talking about - so ignore me.
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@BRRABill said in So we are leaving..............:
@scottalanmiller said
Not shocked at all, I've predicted this since the referendum was called. From the US side, it looks firmly like the UK was looking to Trump and following the US election and using that propaganda at home. Trump certainly can be president and I honestly think is likely to be.
If you look at the reasoning for the exit, it sounds like Trump wrote it.
If they do not help make it a success, they will lose out on the money from the UK and will be unable to support the EU. Either way, sounds like EU has some difficult times ahead too.
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Was supposed to quote:
"The EU will do whatever it takes to punish the UK. They can't allow a successful Brexit or other nations will follow"
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@IRJ said in So we are leaving..............:
The EU will do whatever it takes to punish the UK. They can't allow a successful Brexit or other nations will follow.
Like that then?
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@NattNatt said in So we are leaving..............:
@IRJ said in So we are leaving..............:
The EU will do whatever it takes to punish the UK. They can't allow a successful Brexit or other nations will follow.
Like that then?
I'm not really sure what this even means?
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It means that the EU will try to punish the UK for leaving, and will try to deny them the ability to rejoin the EU.
He's saying the EU is better off without the UK, and they can go suck eggs.
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@DustinB3403 said in So we are leaving..............:
It means that the EU will try to punish the UK for leaving, and will try to deny them the ability to rejoin the EU.
He's saying the EU is better off without the UK, and they can go suck eggs.
Yep. The EU has no choice not matter how much they need the UK. They have to pretend like they don't.
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You know, I know so little about this. I think I'm going to read up on it. I didn't really understand why there was a EU to begin with and my uneducated point of view had me a bit worried about it.
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@DustinB3403 said in So we are leaving..............:
It means that the EU will try to punish the UK for leaving, and will try to deny them the ability to rejoin the EU.
He's saying the EU is better off without the UK, and they can go suck eggs.
not even rejoining the EU, it means we won't be able to stay with the single-market - that is an agreement between the EU countries and a few outside countries that never joined the EU - where basically they can trade between themselves without having to pay tax, but get better rates and preferential treatment etc...part of the Leave campain's rhetoric was that we could still be a part of that...
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
You know, I know so little about this. I think I'm going to read up on it. I didn't really understand why there was a EU to begin with and my uneducated point of view had me a bit worried about it.
Because they didn't want there to be a reason to have anymore massive wars. They wanted peace and unity. Since the EU was formed, there has been 0 conflict between any of the member states...the longest period of peace in the region for hundreds of years or longer... It has so many positives to its member states, the European Convention of Human Rights and the open market agreement, freedom of movement and many more
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@NattNatt said in So we are leaving..............:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
You know, I know so little about this. I think I'm going to read up on it. I didn't really understand why there was a EU to begin with and my uneducated point of view had me a bit worried about it.
Because they didn't want there to be a reason to have anymore massive wars. They wanted peace and unity. Since the EU was formed, there has been 0 conflict between any of the member states...the longest period of peace in the region for hundreds of years or longer... It has so many positives to its member states, the European Convention of Human Rights and the open market agreement, freedom of movement and many more
OK, so before I form any opinions, why would Britain leave? They don't strike me as war mongers. LOL
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
@NattNatt said in So we are leaving..............:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
You know, I know so little about this. I think I'm going to read up on it. I didn't really understand why there was a EU to begin with and my uneducated point of view had me a bit worried about it.
Because they didn't want there to be a reason to have anymore massive wars. They wanted peace and unity. Since the EU was formed, there has been 0 conflict between any of the member states...the longest period of peace in the region for hundreds of years or longer... It has so many positives to its member states, the European Convention of Human Rights and the open market agreement, freedom of movement and many more
OK, so before I form any opinions, why would Britain leave? They don't strike me as war mongers. LOL
Because the EU was destroying this nation.
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@Jimmy9008 said in So we are leaving..............:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
@NattNatt said in So we are leaving..............:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
You know, I know so little about this. I think I'm going to read up on it. I didn't really understand why there was a EU to begin with and my uneducated point of view had me a bit worried about it.
Because they didn't want there to be a reason to have anymore massive wars. They wanted peace and unity. Since the EU was formed, there has been 0 conflict between any of the member states...the longest period of peace in the region for hundreds of years or longer... It has so many positives to its member states, the European Convention of Human Rights and the open market agreement, freedom of movement and many more
OK, so before I form any opinions, why would Britain leave? They don't strike me as war mongers. LOL
Because the EU was destroying this nation.
not that I agree or disagree - please explain how?
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@Jimmy9008 said in So we are leaving..............:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
@NattNatt said in So we are leaving..............:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in So we are leaving..............:
You know, I know so little about this. I think I'm going to read up on it. I didn't really understand why there was a EU to begin with and my uneducated point of view had me a bit worried about it.
Because they didn't want there to be a reason to have anymore massive wars. They wanted peace and unity. Since the EU was formed, there has been 0 conflict between any of the member states...the longest period of peace in the region for hundreds of years or longer... It has so many positives to its member states, the European Convention of Human Rights and the open market agreement, freedom of movement and many more
OK, so before I form any opinions, why would Britain leave? They don't strike me as war mongers. LOL
Because the EU was destroying this nation.
And... how exactly?
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You can find more online rather than me typing it all out, but one thing that really made me angry as an example is this (from a while ago, but still):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29754168
^ £1.7 Billion Bill in 2014 from the EU. Most other countries got payment to them, including Germany who have a better economy. Cameron said he wouldn't pay, but, oh look - he paid:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3237073/Cameron-Osborne-quietly-pay-1-7BILLION-bill-Brussels-dismisses-totally-unacceptable.htmlQuite how Greece, who were totally up **** creek got a £70m bill to pay, I don't know. Sure EU, it makes sense to hit a country that is totally screwed already with a bill. That makes LOADS of sense. Italy too that are in trouble were billed £268m. Its like we were fined for doing well and had to help the rest! Do better yourself rather than us. This time we cant help you as we are gone soon.
Just do your own research about the different issues.
