Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market
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@craig.theriac said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
@Dashrender mlc in the new HC1150s, higher endurance SLC in the HC2150/HC4150
Do you have a custom firmware installed on them? or are these generic off the shelf drives?
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@Dashrender standard off the shelf drives that we pool together with our software to manage as a tier to protect against failures etc
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There have been discussions here before about what drives people can/should trust to use in servers that aren't OEM sold for such use.
Can you tell us what drives and what model numbers you are using?
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@Dashrender the HC1150 is shipping with Samsung's SM863 today. As with all of the components we ship in our appliances, we are constantly looking for alternatives that can offer similar performance/endurance/price to protect customers (and our company) against supply chain issues. So a blanket "subject to change" statement is probably warranted.
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One of the little things that irritates me in advertising is "Sub-$$$$ price!" we all know it's sub-price minus one dollar lol
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@MattSpeller said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
One of the little things that irritates me in advertising is "Sub-$$$$ price!" we all know it's sub-price minus one dollar lol
I this case, It's -$500.
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@MattSpeller said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
One of the little things that irritates me in advertising is "Sub-$$$$ price!" we all know it's sub-price minus one dollar lol
The way of the world handsome. The way of the world.
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What SMB has $25,000 to drop on ONE piece of kit?
That's a hell of a "Shiny-new-device Syndrome" infection. -
Perhaps, I should be thinking of media and graphics businesses more than roller shutter and gardening tool businesses.
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@nadnerB said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
Perhaps, I should be thinking of media and graphics businesses more than roller shutter and gardening tool businesses.
You should be thinking gardening tool business.
The main reason to use SSDs is for database IOPS. SMBs seem to have some kind of aversion to outsourcing stuff to other providers so they hobble along on 7200RPM SATA drives because "Oh I don't need that". So when the WORX Aerocart takes off and people are buying them off your site left and right, you can't keep up because the database is getting choked by requests.
If you hosted your shit with us, you would be getting nothing but SSDs. But since SMBs love to keep shit inhouse, this is a great option and dirt cheap for what it is. Off the shelf, non-custom SSDs makes for a fast deployment and future proofing. So when those Samsung 950Pro's come down in price and in SAS interfaces, you got yourself a monster database system with just the minimum of swapping the disks around.
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@PSX_Defector said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
@nadnerB said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
Perhaps, I should be thinking of media and graphics businesses more than roller shutter and gardening tool businesses.
You should be thinking gardening tool business.
The main reason to use SSDs is for database IOPS. SMBs seem to have some kind of aversion to outsourcing stuff to other providers so they hobble along on 7200RPM SATA drives because "Oh I don't need that". So when the WORX Aerocart takes off and people are buying them off your site left and right, you can't keep up because the database is getting choked by requests.
If you hosted your shit with us, you would be getting nothing but SSDs. But since SMBs love to keep shit inhouse, this is a great option and dirt cheap for what it is. Off the shelf, non-custom SSDs makes for a fast deployment and future proofing. So when those Samsung 950Pro's come down in price and in SAS interfaces, you got yourself a monster database system with just the minimum of swapping the disks around.
Do you really need SAS interface? Does it provide that much more xyz over the SATA interface?
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@nadnerB said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
What SMB has $25,000 to drop on ONE piece of kit?
That's a hell of a "Shiny-new-device Syndrome" infection.It's one whole kit... not just pieces.
@scale can correct me, but the $25k pricetag includes 3 x Scale nodes, right? -
@dafyre said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
@nadnerB said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
What SMB has $25,000 to drop on ONE piece of kit?
That's a hell of a "Shiny-new-device Syndrome" infection.It's one whole kit... not just pieces.
@scale can correct me, but the $25k pricetag includes 3 x Scale nodes, right?It's a drop in computer side of the HA setup. Of course you need power/cooling, etc.. but it's a cheap start for what it is.
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@nadnerB said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
What SMB has $25,000 to drop on ONE piece of kit?
That's a hell of a "Shiny-new-device Syndrome" infection.Believe it or not... tons of the SMB customers that I deal with not only have $25K to drop, but often are happy to blow $50K extra on improperly specced solutions! So someone who, for example, should only be spending around $25K might blow $75K because they didn't take time to think through their needs and/or went to a vendor sales person for design engineering and they over sell them by that much. I find it just as common that SMBs have so much money burning holes in their pockets that they will through $25K away without thinking as those that struggle to come up with $25K. And honestly, if you can't spend $25K without too much thought, you probably should not have any internal IT person since having IT staff with nothing to manage is pretty silly.
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@PSX_Defector said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
@nadnerB said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
Perhaps, I should be thinking of media and graphics businesses more than roller shutter and gardening tool businesses.
You should be thinking gardening tool business.
The main reason to use SSDs is for database IOPS. SMBs seem to have some kind of aversion to outsourcing stuff to other providers so they hobble along on 7200RPM SATA drives because "Oh I don't need that". So when the WORX Aerocart takes off and people are buying them off your site left and right, you can't keep up because the database is getting choked by requests.
If you hosted your shit with us, you would be getting nothing but SSDs. But since SMBs love to keep shit inhouse, this is a great option and dirt cheap for what it is. Off the shelf, non-custom SSDs makes for a fast deployment and future proofing. So when those Samsung 950Pro's come down in price and in SAS interfaces, you got yourself a monster database system with just the minimum of swapping the disks around.
You can mix with SATA units, too. So if you are big enough to need, say, four nodes you could do two SSD and two SATA and have databases on the SSD and other things, like DCs and web servers and file servers on SATA.
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@dafyre said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
@nadnerB said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
What SMB has $25,000 to drop on ONE piece of kit?
That's a hell of a "Shiny-new-device Syndrome" infection.It's one whole kit... not just pieces.
@scale can correct me, but the $25k pricetag includes 3 x Scale nodes, right?That's correct... that's the price tage of an ENTIRE cluster. It's basically the same price as the previous entry level cluster but this has the latest updates. So you are getting more power (faster CPUs, faster storage) for the same price as before. The old one didn't offer SSDs. So less than $25K for a very powerful, easy to use, HA cluster.
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@Dashrender said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
Do you really need SAS interface? Does it provide that much more xyz over the SATA interface?
Double the bandwidth and full duplex. A lot closer to PCI-E than SATA is.
All the current SATA SSDs are at peak performance with the SATA bus, with the pipe being the limiter. SAS is the next logical step for making things run faster in enterprise. PCI-E offers crazy nuts performance, but the infrastructure currently available to utilize it is not nearly as expansive as SAS. You can add 24 disks in SAS with one cable versus PCI-E with as many lanes you can supply.
SATA is perfectly fine for 90% of what people do. It's the 8% that need something more that would need SAS based while the last 2% will need PCI-E performance.
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@PSX_Defector said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
SATA is perfectly fine for 90% of what people do. It's the 8% that need something more that would need SAS based while the last 2% will need PCI-E performance.
With numbers like those, ML seems like an odd place to be talking/worrying about it. Also, are the last 10% really looking at a Scale Cluster? I suppose some percentage of them might be.
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@Dashrender said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
@PSX_Defector said in Scale Computing Brings First Fully Featured Sub-$25,000 Flash Solution to SMB Market:
SATA is perfectly fine for 90% of what people do. It's the 8% that need something more that would need SAS based while the last 2% will need PCI-E performance.
With numbers like those, ML seems like an odd place to be talking/worrying about it. Also, are the last 10% really looking at a Scale Cluster? I suppose some percentage of them might be.
90% of what people do, not 90% of people. It's a much higher percentage of people. That's why the Scale HC3 tiering system is such a good fit, we believe. It allows the majority of your storage to be tuned to sit on the SATA drives, which are perfectly fast enough for 90% of your needs, and lets the 10% of your needs that need to be on high performance SSD to sit there without needing two different solutions.
And with our heat mapping technology we help to tune the workloads for what is used rather than forcing you to pick manually for all workloads. You can override this with manual priorities, but on its own it self tunes.
So our hope is that the 90/10 split which is a good way to think of it actually makes Scale ideal for the majority of users because they have the 90/10 mix rather than in spite of it.
