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    • Deleted74295D
      Deleted74295 Banned @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said

      XC is the "easy" one, XO is the good one. I think that ESXi lacks an XO quality interface.

      Yeah but it's not good. It's a metrofied horrible UI with no text labels. Icons for days.

      I get the principle of the interface but the execution is awful if you want to get stuff done. It takes up way too much space on screen to do anything, the tool tips which are in XenCentre are gone from Xen Orchestra, all the stuff that people who live and breathe Xen take for granted is missing from a brand new admin.

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        Deleted74295 Banned
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        And don't get me started on the website.

        https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/

        Documentation exists in one place: https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/faq - What's the first thing people need with a new product? Give it to me in the email link they send, give it to me when I fill in the download form.

        The reality is they are a new company, with a really good idea. But the tool on it's current form will end up turning away Hyper-v or VMWare admins, it's not that it's different, it's unhelpfully different. Different can be good.

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        • olivierO
          olivier @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender haha 😄 I know you love trees, we'll probably create a dedicated view for this. But the new concept will be more centered on the filter/search thing in the home view, see https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/dev-report-2-on-xen-orchestra-5-0/

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          • olivierO
            olivier @Deleted74295
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            @Breffni-Potter I'm eager to hear things that you think really useful in UI as a VM admin, to improve XO 🙂

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            • olivierO
              olivier @Deleted74295
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              @Breffni-Potter I have no idea of what you are talking about. The official doc is here: https://xen-orchestra.com/docs/

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              • wrx7mW
                wrx7m
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                I started with free ESXi just before 5 came out. I had very little experience with virtualization. My only real experience was with VirtualBox running a BESx server. I learned how to use it and since Hyper-V was very limited and I am the only guy here, I decided to deploy VMware on 3 hosts. I have had some headaches in the past (vSphere Storage Appliance) with them but I overall have had a good experience. My main complaint, other than cost, is the slow and clunky vSphere Web Client. The C# client is so much better.

                I do want to dip my toe into XS but will wait until I have more time and they upgrade the UI, as someone has mentioned in an earlier post.

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @wrx7m
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                  @wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                  I started with free ESXi just before 5 came out. I had very little experience with virtualization. My only real experience was with VirtualBox running a BESx server. I learned how to use it and since Hyper-V was very limited and I am the only guy here, I decided to deploy VMware on 3 hosts. I have had some headaches in the past (vSphere Storage Appliance) with them but I overall have had a good experience. My main complaint, other than cost, is the slow and clunky vSphere Web Client. The C# client is so much better.

                  I do want to dip my toe into XS but will wait until I have more time and they upgrade the UI, as someone has mentioned in an earlier post.

                  The XenCenter interface is very similar to the VMware C# interface. Both in terms of looks and functionality.

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                  • wrx7mW
                    wrx7m
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                    Let's say you want to migrate/convert your VMs from VMware to XS. How easy is that?

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @wrx7m
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                      @wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                      Let's say you want to migrate/convert your VMs from VMware to XS. How easy is that?

                      What do you use for a backup?

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                      • wrx7mW
                        wrx7m @coliver
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                        @coliver Veeam - It is awesome

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @wrx7m
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                          @wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                          Let's say you want to migrate/convert your VMs from VMware to XS. How easy is that?

                          Pretty simple, you'd just V2V the VM or do an export to the open format.

                          Import the VM into XS and test.

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                          • olivierO
                            olivier @wrx7m
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                            @wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                            @coliver Veeam - It is awesome

                            Without being too off topic, could you list the top 5 things you like the most about VEEAM? This could give me ideas for XO 🙂

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @olivier
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                              @olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                              @wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                              @coliver Veeam - It is awesome

                              Without being too off topic, could you list the top 5 things you like the most about VEEAM? This could give me ideas for XO 🙂

                              Ability to restore individual files is huge.

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                                Deleted74295 Banned @olivier
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                                @olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                                @Breffni-Potter I have no idea of what you are talking about. The official doc is here: https://xen-orchestra.com/docs/

                                But I missed that, The site layout makes me bounce my eyes. Make my life easier, give me a menu bar button. If I don't see it on the FAQ or as a button on featured, what's the fastest way of getting to them?

                                0_1463589420084_upload-c648e8af-96e2-45de-8b15-53d47e46ff6a Put the link in the download email, so

                                Assume I am ignorant of opening a web browser and connecting to the IP address. Think of a brand new person to IT who gets ahold of your product, the bit at the bottom about pro support does not help the guys on the free edition.

                                https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/features/webinterface

                                This assumes you are a Xen Server believer. Why would I use Xen over the other 2 choices, yes you are offering a management tool for Xen but sell to me the benefits of XenServer.

                                @olivier

                                I'm eager to hear things that you think really useful in UI as a VM admin, to improve XO

                                Brave man 🙂

                                I've got a nice 1920 x 1080 screen. The UI takes up way too much real estate, I don't get to see every option for a single VM and have to scroll.

                                Everything feels a bit too close together, a bit cluttered. Even though I've got 1 host and 2 1 VMs, My worry is once it grows it's going to become unmanageable.

                                The row of grey icons on grey buttons, I have to look carefully to see is that a thunderbolt icon or something else.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller But isn't that performed with an agent into each VM?

                                  I mean it is huge, and would really be great if there was a way to integrate it. Or to use something like AMANDA to be able to perform file level restores.

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                                  • olivierO
                                    olivier @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller I assume it's possible thanks to an agent in the VM?

                                    Well, I like challenges, I could imagine a way to read the VM blocks and read the underlying FS to display files. But that would be something a bit complicated ^^

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @olivier
                                      last edited by DustinB3403

                                      @olivier How does the AMANDA backup appliance do this currently?

                                      It's agentless is it not, and provides a full File Level backup?

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                                        Deleted74295 Banned @coliver
                                        last edited by Deleted74295

                                        @coliver said

                                        The XenCenter interface is very similar to the VMware C# interface. Both in terms of looks and functionality.

                                        Yeah, XenCenter is almost a clone which for a toolbox to tell things what to do, so anyone going from VMWare or Hyper-v tools can jump right into it.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                          @DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                                          @olivier How does the AMANDA backup appliance do this currently?

                                          It's agentless is it not, and provides a full File Level backup.

                                          It's agentless, but it works over network shares. Not very good in general, IMHO.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:

                                            @scottalanmiller But isn't that performed with an agent into each VM?

                                            No, Veeam is purely agentless. That's their thing. Everything is handled through the hypervisor's snapshot mechanism. Hence why they have no means of working with ESXi Free. No one is less associated with agents than Veeam.

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