Why is VMWare considered so often
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Basically, the OP of the topic was
"Why is VMWare considered so often"
They've got lots of money, lots of people and lots of partnership details to constantly re-enforce the idea of VMware being the best and most reliable. It falls down under scrutiny but that's another topic.
So my thing with Xen Orchestra is, if you can do the same thing on a small scale, to help encourage people to think about XenServer. Why would that not be a good thing for you, you don't need to set your sights on 100 million marketing campaigns but can something be done.
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So @Breffni-Potter wouldn't it be better for the Linux Foundation to have a IT Conference of sorts where XO could participate?
It has to take a ton of money to try and setup a marketing conference of any kind.
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But...why leap for the stuff which costs money to do? My point is, If you can't do what the big boys do, what can you do instead with what you have?
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@Breffni-Potter So what does that mean for everyone using ESXi that wants to upgrade?
That they are stuck with only a web console? (I don't use ESXi so I'm asking out of curiosity)
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Well this is new.
http://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2016/05/goodbye-vsphere-client-for-windows-c-hello-html5.html
They've been talking about this for awhile now. We ran into it in the past year where they told us they wouldn't be updating the desktop client to work with TLS1.1 or 1.2.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter So what does that mean for everyone using ESXi that wants to upgrade?
That they are stuck with only a web console? (I don't use ESXi so I'm asking out of curiosity)
No idea. I care not for VMware
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But...why leap for the stuff which costs money to do? My point is, If you can't do what the big boys do, what can you do instead with what you have?
The only thing that XO would be able to do is use Word of Mouth or to attend tech conferences with a minimal vendor registration fee.
That and develop the product to be as amazing as possible. What can you do with no advertising budget?
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter So what does that mean for everyone using ESXi that wants to upgrade?
That they are stuck with only a web console? (I don't use ESXi so I'm asking out of curiosity)
Correct. Which makes the most sense. Moving to modern application design is a great thing.
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Oh I don't disagree.
A Webconsole would be the most simple and universal tool for ESXi, like XO is for XS.
I'm just curious.
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The VMware web console (last I looked) was still only compatible with Windows... Have they finally gotten away from that?
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@dafyre said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
The VMware web console (last I looked) was still only compatible with Windows... Have they finally gotten away from that?
It relied on flash. The new one is HTML5 so it should work anywhere.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Case sensitive emails are apparently a thing.
Thanks @DustinB3403
eh... Text.txt and text.txt are two unique records to linux... so yeah I mean it makes sense... You aren't registered with "[email protected]" but are in fact registered with "[email protected]"
Seems like I should go and register with "[email protected]" just to mess with you a bit.
This way you'll get invalid password..... lol
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@coliver said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@dafyre said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
The VMware web console (last I looked) was still only compatible with Windows... Have they finally gotten away from that?
It relied on flash. The new one is HTML5 so it should work anywhere.
Did Flash somehow make it Windows only? Flash used to be on Android phones..
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@Dashrender said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@coliver said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@dafyre said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
The VMware web console (last I looked) was still only compatible with Windows... Have they finally gotten away from that?
It relied on flash. The new one is HTML5 so it should work anywhere.
Did Flash somehow make it Windows only? Flash used to be on Android phones..
Flash has never worked on iOS. And tons of places haven't allowed Flash for years (or ever.) Flash is anything but a universal standard. It's "available" on most, but not all, platforms and on some it is spotty support at best. But given that so many people and companies don't allow it, you can't rely on it without really being a problem. You might as well require people to have Silverlight or something else ridiculous.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward.
Which is basically my point. If someone is researching it as an alternative, why would the tool not big up the platform it runs on?
Because no one is finding it that way. No one looks at XO and says "I should change my platform to use this." It's not just realistic. It's the other way around, XO beefs up XS features so that XS is more competitive.
I go to Xen Server.
I then go to Xen OrchestraOn the second site....there is yet another chance to pitch/convey the benefits of the former.
If the person buys into the former, surely they will buy into the latter.
So surely XO bigs it up as XS people who research XS might end up on XO to look at how to manage XS.
Does that make more sense?
Again, you keep coming back to the parts store idea but if someone wants to research if they can even buy parts in their region, why would they not be looking at parts shops in their area?
In this case, why would you buy into a hyper-visor unless you also had the tools to manage it. XO is a tool.
The problem with this is - I don't see Veeam spouting about how awesome Hyper-V or ESXi is, or any backup product that works either one or the other or both of these vendors. That's not their job. You would only end up at Veeam after you decided you wanted a backup solution for ESXi or Hyper-V.
The same goes here. The the XS server pages speak for themselves and let the add-ons speak for themselves. If the add-one is spouting on about the product they run on, instead of themselves - I'd ask - do you not have anything to say about your own product that you need to fill your page up with why that other decision you made was right?
When I go to a Chevy parts store (is their such a thing outside the dealer - and the dealer don't count) I wouldn't expect them to be spouting about how awesome Chevy's are - why would they need to waste their money on that? instead they should be advertising their cool ass products for your chevy.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Dashrender said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@coliver said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@dafyre said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
The VMware web console (last I looked) was still only compatible with Windows... Have they finally gotten away from that?
It relied on flash. The new one is HTML5 so it should work anywhere.
Did Flash somehow make it Windows only? Flash used to be on Android phones..
Flash has never worked on iOS. And tons of places haven't allowed Flash for years (or ever.) Flash is anything but a universal standard. It's "available" on most, but not all, platforms and on some it is spotty support at best. But given that so many people and companies don't allow it, you can't rely on it without really being a problem. You might as well require people to have Silverlight or something else ridiculous.
I consider requiring Java on the endpoint in the same vein, but again that wasn't my question or point. Someone asked
@dafyre said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
The VMware web console (last I looked) was still only compatible with Windows... Have they finally gotten away from that?
So I'm asking - did the VMWare web console only work on Windows? really? you couldn't install FF on Linux with Flash and get it to work? if that's true - damn... just damn!
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Case sensitive emails are apparently a thing.
Thanks @DustinB3403
eh... Text.txt and text.txt are two unique records to linux... so yeah I mean it makes sense... You aren't registered with "[email protected]" but are in fact registered with "[email protected]"
Linux isn't a factor. The issue is SMTP. The SMTP protocol is case sensitive no matter what operating system you are talking on. SMTP at the network layer is case sensitive. The vast majority of email servers decide to be case insensitive so they flatten incoming messages to lower case internally and reduce permutations. This works fine as they control who can register with their system. But any system that relies on email in the other direction (sending or authenticating against) must remain case sensitive if they do not control the creation of mailboxes or else they will fail to be universally compatible with SMTP email addresses.
So yes, email is case sensitive and always has been. But most places don't allow case sensitively in the creation of local accounts.
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@Dashrender said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
So I'm asking - did the VMWare web console only work on Windows? really? you couldn't install FF on Linux with Flash and get it to work? if that's true - damn... just damn!
I think that you could get it to work, it was just crap wherever you used it. But you could not get it to work in a lot of places no matter what.
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@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@coliver Veeam - It is awesome
Without being too off topic, could you list the top 5 things you like the most about VEEAM? This could give me ideas for XO
- As SAM mentioned file level is a huge thing
- File level exclusions
- Agentless, because it uses the VMware API for snapshotting but does use proxies which require a small installer but doesn't need to be on any particular system. Could be virtual or physical. I use virtual because I get better performance if the proxy is on the same host as the source VM.
- They keep introducing new features and support for more products
- v9 has added scale-out backup repositories, a remote client management console and several storage vendor shapshotting support
- AD explorer
- Sure backup so you can test your VM backup
- Veeam endpoint free integrates into the Veeam management console.
- Backup copy job allows you to have the completed backup copied to another location and it doesn't affect the production storage because it copies out of the repository.
- They discount licensing for SMB for up to 6 CPU sockets.
