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@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
Yeah, it's out there and cheap enough, just no need for it at the moment!
I'm on 3, and their coverage etc are cheap enough for me - I used to be on T-mobile, but they merged with Orange to become EE in the UK...and they hiked their prices up super high - when I got back from the Falklands, I looked into it and I'd have been paying double for less if I went with EE, so went with the cheaper option 
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@scottalanmiller honestly couldn't tell you! My memory for last week is bad enough, let alone 10 years ago when I was knee high to a grasshopper
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@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
Yeah, it's out there and cheap enough, just no need for it at the moment!
I'm on 3, and their coverage etc are cheap enough for me - I used to be on T-mobile, but they merged with Orange to become EE in the UK...and they hiked their prices up super high - when I got back from the Falklands, I looked into it and I'd have been paying double for less if I went with EE, so went with the cheaper option T merged with Orange and they didn't just make it Brown? Opportunity missed.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
Yeah, it's out there and cheap enough, just no need for it at the moment!
I'm on 3, and their coverage etc are cheap enough for me - I used to be on T-mobile, but they merged with Orange to become EE in the UK...and they hiked their prices up super high - when I got back from the Falklands, I looked into it and I'd have been paying double for less if I went with EE, so went with the cheaper option T merged with Orange and they didn't just make it Brown? Opportunity missed.
Hah...brown...shit service...it would have been too easy
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@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
yeah no cap, but once you reach something like 10 GB download, you're reduced to 3G speeds.. it might even be at something like 4 GB of download.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
yeah no cap, but once you reach something like 10 GB download, you're reduced to 3G speeds.. it might even be at something like 4 GB of download.
Only in the US. That's why I said in Europe. No caps at all here.
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@scottalanmiller same with 3 - If I go unlimited, it is exactly that, fully unlimited usage for yourself on your phone - the only limit is when you're using your phone as a hotspot - it limits you to 4GB as a hotspot or something...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
yeah no cap, but once you reach something like 10 GB download, you're reduced to 3G speeds.. it might even be at something like 4 GB of download.
Only in the US. That's why I said in Europe. No caps at all here.
huh - so you have a non US T-mobile contract?
I could have sworn when I looked at the contract, it was limited to that anywhere - actually it was worse.. when traveling outside the US, all data was 3G only.
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@Dashrender said:
huh - so you have a non US T-mobile contract?
No. I have a US T Mobile contract in use in Europe. The caps are only for US usage.
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@Dashrender said:
actually it was worse.. when traveling outside the US, all data was 3G only.
That's not a cap. I have an unlimited 3G data plan. how much more would I want on a phone? 3G is plenty fast.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
actually it was worse.. when traveling outside the US, all data was 3G only.
That's not a cap. I have an unlimited 3G data plan. how much more would I want on a phone? 3G is plenty fast.
oh.. 3G is like a slug compared to 4G.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
actually it was worse.. when traveling outside the US, all data was 3G only.
That's not a cap. I have an unlimited 3G data plan. how much more would I want on a phone? 3G is plenty fast.
oh.. 3G is like a slug compared to 4G.
Only sort of, since LTE is often faster than 4G and is 3G.
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@travisdh1 said:
@Dashrender said:
Add to that that we now pay for bandwidth on metered connections again (through mobile carriers) we users don't want to pay for something we didn't ask for.
I beg to disagree about only mobile carriers having caps. DSL Reports.com has all kinds of stories on usage caps being placed on fixed lines all the time. Basically anywhere in the US that only cable and DSL is available will be capped soon, if it's not already.
You're correct, many land line type ISPs now also have caps, but those caps are not hit by typical usage, so I wasn't counting them.
The caps on mobile data are pretty easy to hit, especially if mobile is the only data you have.
now, with things like Netflix and Youtube at 4K, those caps on Landlines will start being a real problem.
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@Dashrender said:
You're correct, many land line type ISPs now also have caps, but those caps are not hit by typical usage, so I wasn't counting them.
I've done lots of calculations on that, and it's my opinion that any connection with a cap needs to be advertised at the speed you can actually go without exceeding said cap. I know I'm insane and banging my head against a brick wall on this one, but it's what I think. IE: 300GB/month cap, advertised as a 112kb/sec connection.
Glad the local cable company at home is still on the smaller/regional side and doesn't cap yet. Even with the slow 10MB connection we'd blow through the cap in days.
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@travisdh1 said:
I've done lots of calculations on that, and it's my opinion that any connection with a cap needs to be advertised at the speed you can actually go without exceeding said cap. I know I'm insane and banging my head against a brick wall on this one, but it's what I think. IE: 300GB/month cap, advertised as a 112kb/sec connection.
All that would serve to do, though, is make things confusing for everyone. Power users nor typical users would be able to get the info that they need to make a good decision on buying. Instead of exposing things, it would obscure it even more.
Nothing is more open an honest than stating the speed and the cap. The truth is always the best answer.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
I've done lots of calculations on that, and it's my opinion that any connection with a cap needs to be advertised at the speed you can actually go without exceeding said cap. I know I'm insane and banging my head against a brick wall on this one, but it's what I think. IE: 300GB/month cap, advertised as a 112kb/sec connection.
All that would serve to do, though, is make things confusing for everyone. Power users nor typical users would be able to get the info that they need to make a good decision on buying. Instead of exposing things, it would obscure it even more.
Nothing is more open an honest than stating the speed and the cap. The truth is always the best answer.
yeah I agree. I wouldn't want the line speed to be capped at 112 Kb/s to make sure I didn't have a chance of going over my cap. Also, rarely does even a power user use the same amount of bandwidth all day long. When they are waiting for a download to happen, they want max speed, when they aren't they could care less.
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What I'm curious about is - are businesses given caps?
Sure my 100/20 pipe costs me $300/month at my office - but there are no caps that I'm aware of, so I'm golden. If the ISPs really have bandwidth issues, they then just need to raise their rates...
oh but they are, that's right, they've instituted caps, go over and pay more or get cut off.
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What ISPs in the US are introducing data caps? I though Comcast was testing it in certain markets but wasn't deployed nationwide yet.
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@Dashrender said:
What I'm curious about is - are businesses given caps?
Sure my 100/20 pipe costs me $300/month at my office - but there are no caps that I'm aware of, so I'm golden. If the ISPs really have bandwidth issues, they then just need to raise their rates...
Sure, we've bought lines with caps. Businesses have used them for years as they are often how you get the best lines.
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@coliver said:
What ISPs in the US are introducing data caps? I though Comcast was testing it in certain markets but wasn't deployed nationwide yet.
Comcast and Cox both have. They are rarely hard caps, but I've read claims around the net that people have been cut off because they were at like 500GB or more.
Cox for example does have it in their contracts now. The higher your plan, the higher your cap. Though I'm still not sure how strict they are enforcing it.
