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@Dashrender said:
To get more clicks (fake or not) advertisers found more and more ways to bombard us with ad crap. But those ways of course left us the end user looking for ways to kill the ads.
But clicks are worthless. So the issue is that someone has picked a worthless metric and is using that instead of something useful. That's why this causes a problem and why there is no obvious solution. The bad metric is driving all kinds of bad behaviour. It's not results oriented.
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@Dashrender said:
Add to that that we now pay for bandwidth on metered connections again (through mobile carriers) we users don't want to pay for something we didn't ask for.
I beg to disagree about only mobile carriers having caps. DSL Reports.com has all kinds of stories on usage caps being placed on fixed lines all the time. Basically anywhere in the US that only cable and DSL is available will be capped soon, if it's not already.
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@travisdh1 said:
@Dashrender said:
Add to that that we now pay for bandwidth on metered connections again (through mobile carriers) we users don't want to pay for something we didn't ask for.
I beg to disagree about only mobile carriers having caps. DSL Reports.com has all kinds of stories on usage caps being placed on fixed lines all the time. Basically anywhere in the US that only cable and DSL is available will be capped soon, if it's not already.
Another reason I love living outside of the US. I'm on a US phone plan but get no caps at all in Europe. And my home line has no caps.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
To get more clicks (fake or not) advertisers found more and more ways to bombard us with ad crap. But those ways of course left us the end user looking for ways to kill the ads.
But clicks are worthless. So the issue is that someone has picked a worthless metric and is using that instead of something useful. That's why this causes a problem and why there is no obvious solution. The bad metric is driving all kinds of bad behaviour. It's not results oriented.
Without using user tracking, third party cookies, it's pretty difficult if not impossible to do that tracking, as you've already mentioned. But ad space sellers can't tell their customers - hey just trust us, we know how many eyeballs will see your stuff - and those same customers continue to believe that click info is somehow useful.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
To get more clicks (fake or not) advertisers found more and more ways to bombard us with ad crap. But those ways of course left us the end user looking for ways to kill the ads.
But clicks are worthless. So the issue is that someone has picked a worthless metric and is using that instead of something useful. That's why this causes a problem and why there is no obvious solution. The bad metric is driving all kinds of bad behaviour. It's not results oriented.
Without using user tracking, third party cookies, it's pretty difficult if not impossible to do that tracking, as you've already mentioned. But ad space sellers can't tell their customers - hey just trust us, we know how many eyeballs will see your stuff - and those same customers continue to believe that click info is somehow useful.
Well sure.. the ad SPACE sellers can't fix this. They are stuck. It is the people buying ads and demanding a useless metric that is causing the problem. Only the ultimate customer can fix the problem - they are the ones that control the money.
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@scottalanmiller Are we talking about mobile phone plan, or home phone plan? I know they are sometimes one and the same in the states, but we have different here - my home is 40meg fibre, completely unlimited usage for £15/month. My mobile has 100 Minutes, unlimited texts and 2GB 4G data for £11/month - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
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@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller Are we talking about mobile phone plan, or home phone plan? I know they are sometimes one and the same in the states, but we have different here - my home is 40meg fibre, completely unlimited usage for £15/month. My mobile has 100 Minutes, unlimited texts and 2GB 4G data for £11/month - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I mentioned both. Mine happen to be from the same ISP right now (both T-Mobile) but one is in my name and one is not so they are only coincidentally both from the big pink T. I get no caps on either.
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@NattNatt You all make US look terrible. (pun intended) Maybe one day I'll be able to do something about it!
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I know of nowhere in the US that has combined mobile and home data plans. Might exist, but it is rare. Never even heard a rumour of that.
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@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I know of nowhere in the US that has combined mobile and home data plans. Might exist, but it is rare. Never even heard a rumour of that.
This is going back like 10 years or so when we Visited California - their Mobile was linked to their Home number etc...I was young so might have easily been confused
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@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I know of nowhere in the US that has combined mobile and home data plans. Might exist, but it is rare. Never even heard a rumour of that.
This is going back like 10 years or so when we Visited California - their Mobile was linked to their Home number etc...I was young so might have easily been confused
Their mobile was, and not just a wireless house phone? That used to be sort of common.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
Yeah, it's out there and cheap enough, just no need for it at the moment!
I'm on 3, and their coverage etc are cheap enough for me - I used to be on T-mobile, but they merged with Orange to become EE in the UK...and they hiked their prices up super high - when I got back from the Falklands, I looked into it and I'd have been paying double for less if I went with EE, so went with the cheaper option 
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@scottalanmiller honestly couldn't tell you! My memory for last week is bad enough, let alone 10 years ago when I was knee high to a grasshopper
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@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
Yeah, it's out there and cheap enough, just no need for it at the moment!
I'm on 3, and their coverage etc are cheap enough for me - I used to be on T-mobile, but they merged with Orange to become EE in the UK...and they hiked their prices up super high - when I got back from the Falklands, I looked into it and I'd have been paying double for less if I went with EE, so went with the cheaper option T merged with Orange and they didn't just make it Brown? Opportunity missed.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
Yeah, it's out there and cheap enough, just no need for it at the moment!
I'm on 3, and their coverage etc are cheap enough for me - I used to be on T-mobile, but they merged with Orange to become EE in the UK...and they hiked their prices up super high - when I got back from the Falklands, I looked into it and I'd have been paying double for less if I went with EE, so went with the cheaper option T merged with Orange and they didn't just make it Brown? Opportunity missed.
Hah...brown...shit service...it would have been too easy
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@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
yeah no cap, but once you reach something like 10 GB download, you're reduced to 3G speeds.. it might even be at something like 4 GB of download.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
yeah no cap, but once you reach something like 10 GB download, you're reduced to 3G speeds.. it might even be at something like 4 GB of download.
Only in the US. That's why I said in Europe. No caps at all here.
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@scottalanmiller same with 3 - If I go unlimited, it is exactly that, fully unlimited usage for yourself on your phone - the only limit is when you're using your phone as a hotspot - it limits you to 4GB as a hotspot or something...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NattNatt said:
h - plus no roaming charges in USA/Canada/Australia/Most of Europe etc...I could upgrade to unlimited internet for about £8/month more...but don't really use mobile data much!
I have unlimited data and text, no data/text roaming in 160 countries.
yeah no cap, but once you reach something like 10 GB download, you're reduced to 3G speeds.. it might even be at something like 4 GB of download.
Only in the US. That's why I said in Europe. No caps at all here.
huh - so you have a non US T-mobile contract?
I could have sworn when I looked at the contract, it was limited to that anywhere - actually it was worse.. when traveling outside the US, all data was 3G only.
