Is Windows 10 Fall Update a new version?
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
These rolling upgrades are going to be a nightmare for businesses.
Not really you can block them with WSUS just like any other.
Sure you can block them, but then you aren't getting updates any longer unless you're on the LTSB, which most SMBs won't be.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
You want him to chime in about a Windows discussion?
Yeah, not sure what I could add here
I wanted to know if you consider this a new version like 8.1 was to 8?
Windows NT 6.2 to Windows NT 6.3 was a major kernel update with a fundamental change to the core. I'm not aware of any Windows NT 6.5 kernel having been released. If it was, I completely missed it.
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Looks like they changed the kernel numbering to v 10.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions
So this is a minor change, not a 10.0 to 10.1, just 10.0.x to 10.0.y... ok
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A patch level would be expected. CentOS 7 will increment patch number, but not change the minor number.
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@Dashrender said:
Looks like they changed the kernel numbering to v 10.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions
So this is a minor change, not a 10.0 to 10.1, just 10.0.x to 10.0.y... ok
Yeah, just a rename like Linux 3. They renamed to line up with other things and did not have an actual major version change in either case.
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OK.. but Win 10 did start out as kernel 6.4... so 6.4 = 10.0 now.. just to make things easier to follow.
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@Dashrender said:
OK.. but Win 10 did start out as kernel 6.4... so 6.4 = 10.0 now.. just to make things easier to follow.
Yes, 10 is the new name for 6.4. So the question is whether 10.1 would be 6.5, or would 11 be 6.5?
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11? Who knows? It might be Windows 2014 that comes out next... lol
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@art_of_shred said:
11? Who knows? It might be Windows 2014 that comes out next... lol
We are talking the kernel, not the OS brand name.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
11? Who knows? It might be Windows 2014 that comes out next... lol
We are talking the kernel, not the OS brand name.
So now 10 and 11 are kernel names? That's what I was joking about.
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Yes, 10 is the new kernel name. And the real question is given that 6.5 maps to 10.0, what would what should be 6.6 map to and depending on that answer, what would NT 7 map to then?
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@art_of_shred said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
11? Who knows? It might be Windows 2014 that comes out next... lol
We are talking the kernel, not the OS brand name.
So now 10 and 11 are kernel names? That's what I was joking about.
it may seem like jokes, but if you think about it.. it's easier for most folks to have the kernel match the OS number.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Yes, 10 is the new kernel name. And the real question is given that 6.5 maps to 10.0, what would what should be 6.6 map to and depending on that answer, what would NT 7 map to then?
I'm pretty sure its 6.4 maps to kernel 10.
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Sorry, yes 6.4 = 10. It's 6.5 we aren't sure what it will be.
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So what constitues jumping a main number, typically? say from 10 to 11 (assuming we never see another new Windows).
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@Dashrender said:
So what constitues jumping a main number, typically? say from 10 to 11 (assuming we never see another new Windows).
There is no strict guide but it often implies a fundamental rewrite of the code and signals a high risk of compatibility breaks. It's hard to describe but easy to see. NT 4 to NT 5 to NT6 fundamentally changed how the code worked and compatibility between those releases was minimal.
In the Linux world, there has not been a major release since 2.0 long, long ago. Linux even mentioned that at this point the kernel is so mature that they were unsure what would ever trigger a major version jump again. Asterisk did the same thing.
In both cases, they moved the minor number into the major spot and dropped the major number entirely. So Linux is "forever" on the 2.x family. And Asterisk is forever on the 1.x branch.
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A good example was Waste Watcher when @andyw and I were at the helm. Version 1 was written in VBScript and ASP. It was maintained and versioned for many years.
We went to version 2.0 in 2005 after six years on the 1.x family. The version jump was because of a core change to the technology and a full rewrite from the ground up. Moved to C# and ASP.NET, new platform dependencies and even a new database behind it.
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Good explanation!
OK, kernel 4.0 = NT 4.0
was kernel 5.0 = Windows 2000?
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@Dashrender said:
Good explanation!
OK, kernel 4.0 = NT 4.0
was kernel 5.0 = Windows 2000?
and kernel 6.0 = Windows XP?4.0 = NT 4
5.0 = 2000
6.0 = Vista -
Window XP was 5.1. XP SP3 was 5.2.
