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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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      @IT-ADMIN said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      @IT-ADMIN said:

      OK, can a restore point decrypte the ransomed data ??

      Not decrypt! Nothing can decrypt except the key that you get when you pay the ransom.

      If you roll back to BEFORE the data was encrypted AND the restore point itself was not encrypted then you are okay.

      for this reason it is very recommended to store your system images in another physical storage not on the same machine

      Correct, but it would need to be one that is decoupled, which is very difficult to do.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Jason
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        @Jason said:

        @IT-ADMIN said:

        @scottalanmiller said:

        @IT-ADMIN said:

        OK, can a restore point decrypte the ransomed data ??

        Not decrypt! Nothing can decrypt except the key that you get when you pay the ransom.

        If you roll back to BEFORE the data was encrypted AND the restore point itself was not encrypted then you are okay.

        for this reason it is very recommended to store your system images in another physical storage not on the same machine

        Not just that but preferably with a system that can lock it as read-only once it's backed up. Which is great for audits as well.

        Decoupled or locked, as Jason points out. It needs to be read only or it will get ransomed too.

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        • IT-ADMINI
          IT-ADMIN
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          i guess setting up an account on the backup destination so that veeam authenticate against will make the backup decoupled

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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            @IT-ADMIN said:

            i guess setting up an account on the backup destination so that veeam authenticate against will make the backup decoupled

            No, if ANYTHING running on your server can talk to the storage, it is not decoupled. That is tightly coupled. Things like Unitrends appliances stand BETWEEN your systems and the backup storage. That's lightly decoupled. Tapes are fully decoupled.

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            • StrongBadS
              StrongBad
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              I have heard that a lot of the ransoms are on the low side. Under $1000. Which is a lot of money, but not crippling. Generally a no brainer to a business.

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              • J
                Jason Banned
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                Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Jason
                  last edited by

                  @Jason said:

                  Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                  That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @Jason said:

                    Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                    That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

                    What about Veeam End Point Protection?

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @Jason said:

                      Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                      That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

                      What about Veeam End Point Protection?

                      I'm having a bit of Dejavu here.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @coliver
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                        @coliver said:

                        @Dashrender said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @Jason said:

                        Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                        That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

                        What about Veeam End Point Protection?

                        I'm having a bit of Dejavu here.

                        Well I'm not going to say it can't be scheduled.. so there 😛

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @Jason said:

                          Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                          That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

                          What about Veeam End Point Protection?

                          Not decoupled AFAIK, in any way.

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                          • coliverC
                            coliver @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Dashrender said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Jason said:

                            Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                            That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

                            What about Veeam End Point Protection?

                            Not decoupled AFAIK, in any way.

                            The risk though can be reduced by using a different user account and only using it for this one application.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @coliver
                              last edited by

                              @coliver said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @Dashrender said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @Jason said:

                              Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                              That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

                              What about Veeam End Point Protection?

                              Not decoupled AFAIK, in any way.

                              The risk though can be reduced by using a different user account and only using it for this one application.

                              Yes, but that is the only gap that there is. It is fully coupled to the network.

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                              • coliverC
                                coliver @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @coliver said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @Jason said:

                                Many look into Dell Appassure for backups. I don't think you pay for windows though so not sure you would for this.

                                That's going to be an issue. Everything that does decoupled backups is going to be non-free or require virtualization at least.

                                What about Veeam End Point Protection?

                                Not decoupled AFAIK, in any way.

                                The risk though can be reduced by using a different user account and only using it for this one application.

                                Yes, but that is the only gap that there is. It is fully coupled to the network.

                                Yes, that adds a huge amount of risk.

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                                • IT-ADMINI
                                  IT-ADMIN
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                                  can i have 2 scheduled backup with veeam or it is limited to one schedule backup ??
                                  i ask this question because i want to setup 2 schedule backup : one for data and one for system image ,
                                  any thoughts ??

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                                  • dafyreD
                                    dafyre
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                                    If you are using the Veeam Endpoint Recovery Free, it looks like only a single schedule.

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                                    • IT-ADMINI
                                      IT-ADMIN
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                                      thank you Dear @dafyre for the info

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                                      • IT-ADMINI
                                        IT-ADMIN
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                                        i need to know what backup mode allows me to backup the system image : is it entire computer or volumes level backup (then choose the C volume) ??

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                                        • coliverC
                                          coliver @IT-ADMIN
                                          last edited by

                                          @IT-ADMIN said:

                                          i need to know what backup mode allows me to backup the system image : is it entire computer or volumes level backup (then choose the C volume) ??

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                                          Entire Computer

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            Yup, it's right in the description on the screenshot posted above. Entire computer is the only one that gets.... the entire computer.

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