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Freedom is really, I think, a means of controlling the population. Freedom in America is, in some ways, a form of taking away freedom itself. It's propaganda, a way for the government to guide people however they want.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
But the country was founded on the ideal of taking that freedom away (because Europe already had it) and having the freedom to force everyone to be in your religion. My family came to America for that purpose and I am very ashamed of them. They came to ensure that their children would not be exposed to religious freedom so that they would not choose a more free and welcoming lifestyle as was and is popular in Europe.
That's a rather revisionist version of European history there. The 17th century was rife with religion based or justified wars. Religious persecution of non conformist sects was rampant, and the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics raged across large sections of the continent.
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@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
But the country was founded on the ideal of taking that freedom away (because Europe already had it) and having the freedom to force everyone to be in your religion. My family came to America for that purpose and I am very ashamed of them. They came to ensure that their children would not be exposed to religious freedom so that they would not choose a more free and welcoming lifestyle as was and is popular in Europe.
That's a rather revisionist version of European history there. The 17th century was rife with religion based or justified wars. Religious persecution of non conformist sects was rampant, and the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics raged across large sections of the continent.
But not in the areas from which people were coming to the US. Holland, from where the pilgrams came, was religiously free, for example.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
But the country was founded on the ideal of taking that freedom away (because Europe already had it) and having the freedom to force everyone to be in your religion. My family came to America for that purpose and I am very ashamed of them. They came to ensure that their children would not be exposed to religious freedom so that they would not choose a more free and welcoming lifestyle as was and is popular in Europe.
That's a rather revisionist version of European history there. The 17th century was rife with religion based or justified wars. Religious persecution of non conformist sects was rampant, and the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics raged across large sections of the continent.
But not in the areas from which people were coming to the US. Holland, from where the pilgrams came, was religiously free, for example.
And Holland was an anomaly in Europe. In addition, it was in the middle of the 80 years war when the pilgrims left it. A political war justified by religious differences.
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@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
But the country was founded on the ideal of taking that freedom away (because Europe already had it) and having the freedom to force everyone to be in your religion. My family came to America for that purpose and I am very ashamed of them. They came to ensure that their children would not be exposed to religious freedom so that they would not choose a more free and welcoming lifestyle as was and is popular in Europe.
That's a rather revisionist version of European history there. The 17th century was rife with religion based or justified wars. Religious persecution of non conformist sects was rampant, and the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics raged across large sections of the continent.
But not in the areas from which people were coming to the US. Holland, from where the pilgrams came, was religiously free, for example.
And Holland was an anomaly in Europe. In addition, it was in the middle of the 80 years war when the pilgrims left it. A political war justified by religious differences.
True, but the reason that they left was the broad religious tolerance. They wanted the opposite. And the primary religious intolerance in England was caused by... the pilgrims that didn't leave (the British civil war was them over throwing the government to set up a religious military state.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
But the country was founded on the ideal of taking that freedom away (because Europe already had it) and having the freedom to force everyone to be in your religion. My family came to America for that purpose and I am very ashamed of them. They came to ensure that their children would not be exposed to religious freedom so that they would not choose a more free and welcoming lifestyle as was and is popular in Europe.
That's a rather revisionist version of European history there. The 17th century was rife with religion based or justified wars. Religious persecution of non conformist sects was rampant, and the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics raged across large sections of the continent.
But not in the areas from which people were coming to the US. Holland, from where the pilgrams came, was religiously free, for example.
And Holland was an anomaly in Europe. In addition, it was in the middle of the 80 years war when the pilgrims left it. A political war justified by religious differences.
True, but the reason that they left was the broad religious tolerance. They wanted the opposite. And the primary religious intolerance in England was caused by... the pilgrims that didn't leave (the British civil war was them over throwing the government to set up a religious military state.)
I wasn't critiquing your statements regarding the motivations of the pilgrims, but rather the broadness of the claim that Europe already had religious freedom at that time.
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@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
But the country was founded on the ideal of taking that freedom away (because Europe already had it) and having the freedom to force everyone to be in your religion. My family came to America for that purpose and I am very ashamed of them. They came to ensure that their children would not be exposed to religious freedom so that they would not choose a more free and welcoming lifestyle as was and is popular in Europe.
That's a rather revisionist version of European history there. The 17th century was rife with religion based or justified wars. Religious persecution of non conformist sects was rampant, and the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics raged across large sections of the continent.
But not in the areas from which people were coming to the US. Holland, from where the pilgrams came, was religiously free, for example.
And Holland was an anomaly in Europe. In addition, it was in the middle of the 80 years war when the pilgrims left it. A political war justified by religious differences.
True, but the reason that they left was the broad religious tolerance. They wanted the opposite. And the primary religious intolerance in England was caused by... the pilgrims that didn't leave (the British civil war was them over throwing the government to set up a religious military state.)
I wasn't critiquing your statements regarding the motivations of the pilgrims, but rather the broadness of the claim that Europe already had religious freedom at that time.
Fair enough... it had enough religious freedom to drive groups to come to America to ensure that what little there was was taken away
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Kelly said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
But the country was founded on the ideal of taking that freedom away (because Europe already had it) and having the freedom to force everyone to be in your religion. My family came to America for that purpose and I am very ashamed of them. They came to ensure that their children would not be exposed to religious freedom so that they would not choose a more free and welcoming lifestyle as was and is popular in Europe.
That's a rather revisionist version of European history there. The 17th century was rife with religion based or justified wars. Religious persecution of non conformist sects was rampant, and the conflicts between Protestants and Catholics raged across large sections of the continent.
But not in the areas from which people were coming to the US. Holland, from where the pilgrams came, was religiously free, for example.
And Holland was an anomaly in Europe. In addition, it was in the middle of the 80 years war when the pilgrims left it. A political war justified by religious differences.
True, but the reason that they left was the broad religious tolerance. They wanted the opposite. And the primary religious intolerance in England was caused by... the pilgrims that didn't leave (the British civil war was them over throwing the government to set up a religious military state.)
I wasn't critiquing your statements regarding the motivations of the pilgrims, but rather the broadness of the claim that Europe already had religious freedom at that time.
Fair enough... it had enough religious freedom to drive groups to come to America to ensure that what little there was was taken away
Holland did, but Europe in general did not.
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The Earfull Tower at Disney Studios came down last night. An icon in place since 1989.
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@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
The Earfull Tower at Disney Studios came down last night. An icon in place since 1989.
g0t autokorrekt?
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@nadnerB said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
The Earfull Tower at Disney Studios came down last night. An icon in place since 1989.
g0t autokorrekt?
What did I misspell?
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Ah, it's Earfell.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Ah, it's Earfell.
Is it? Oh yes, so it is. My bad. I was thinking of something else entirely. whoops!
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Very proud to announce that I am solidly down thirty pounds since Christmas. I've also gotten a lot stronger and built a lot of muscle since then. I've still got, ideally, forty pounds to go, but at least twenty before I'll really be content, until I hit my goal. But I was 360 lbs, or about 163 kilos, when I moved back to NY in Feb 2015. So, since them, I'm down about 95 lbs, or 43 kilos. I'm currently weighing in at about 265 lbs, or about 120 kilos. Feeling very proud about that accomplishment!
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@thanksajdotcom said in Non-IT News Thread:
Very proud to announce that I am solidly down thirty pounds since Christmas. I've also gotten a lot stronger and built a lot of muscle since then. I've still got, ideally, forty pounds to go, but at least twenty before I'll really be content, until I hit my goal. But I was 360 lbs, or about 163 kilos, when I moved back to NY in Feb 2015. So, since them, I'm down about 95 lbs, or 43 kilos. I'm currently weighing in at about 265 lbs, or about 120 kilos. Feeling very proud about that accomplishment!
Fantastic! Long distance high five!
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I haven't lost any weight and I haven't attempted to exercise or eat better, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-on-leadership-chobani-20160430-story.html
This is interesting. This is a local company that has done some good and some bad to the local community.
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