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    • WLS-ITGuy
      WLS-ITGuy last edited by

      We're getting ready for our server refresh and along with that our license is up for renewal for VMWare. I am curious to the benefits of KVM over VMWare.

      What do you use and why?

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      • Dashrender
        Dashrender last edited by

        Why isn't ProxMox on the list?

        MS just killed Hyper-V so I get why it's not there. 😛

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        • Pete.S
          Pete.S @Dashrender last edited by

          @dashrender said in KVM or VMWare:

          Why isn't ProxMox on the list?

          MS just killed Hyper-V so I get why it's not there. 😛

          Because Proxmox is KVM?

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            marcinozga @Dashrender last edited by

            @dashrender said in KVM or VMWare:

            MS just killed Hyper-V so I get why it's not there. 😛

            Do you have a source of this claim? Because abandoning free Hyper-V server is not the same as killing Hyper-V. Server role is still there.

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            • Dashrender
              Dashrender @marcinozga last edited by

              @marcinozga said in KVM or VMWare:

              @dashrender said in KVM or VMWare:

              MS just killed Hyper-V so I get why it's not there. 😛

              Do you have a source of this claim? Because abandoning free Hyper-V server is not the same as killing Hyper-V. Server role is still there.

              meh - same ultimate difference. sure the role is still there, but that's not what nearly anyone should be using.

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              • hobbit666
                hobbit666 last edited by

                Think most will say anything other than VMware as they all hate anything that's not Linux/Linux based (/end sarcasm lol )

                From what i've tried.
                ProxMox was good,
                Didn't get on with KVM but thats down to my skill set. (i.e. limited linux skills)

                Best thing get an spare machine and try them all.

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                • JaredBusch
                  JaredBusch @hobbit666 last edited by

                  @hobbit666 said in KVM or VMWare:

                  Didn't get on with KVM but thats down to my skill set. (i.e. limited linux skills)

                  No business should run on just KVM. Until the most current iteration of Proxmox I would never recommend KVM for a business.

                  I have used it personally for years now. But that is different than running a business. A business needs simple easy to follow processes that are enabled by things like Proxmox, vCenter, and Hyper-V Manager.

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                  • IRJ
                    IRJ @JaredBusch last edited by

                    @jaredbusch said in KVM or VMWare:

                    @hobbit666 said in KVM or VMWare:

                    Didn't get on with KVM but thats down to my skill set. (i.e. limited linux skills)

                    No business should run on just KVM. Until the most current iteration of Proxmox I would never recommend KVM for a business.

                    I have used it personally for years now. But that is different than running a business. A business needs simple easy to follow processes that are enabled by things like Proxmox, vCenter, and Hyper-V Manager.

                    Unless you use terraform or similar to build your servers on KVM. You would then need to leverage bash/powershell to do the builds. Then you have a very repeatable process that doesn't rely on GUI management. You can also use an open source tool like Jenkins to manage pipelines for deployment so it's easy repeatable.

                    I would say most SMBs who aren't trained in IaC would be better off with other options.

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                    • stacksofplates
                      stacksofplates @IRJ last edited by

                      @irj said in KVM or VMWare:

                      @jaredbusch said in KVM or VMWare:

                      @hobbit666 said in KVM or VMWare:

                      Didn't get on with KVM but thats down to my skill set. (i.e. limited linux skills)

                      No business should run on just KVM. Until the most current iteration of Proxmox I would never recommend KVM for a business.

                      I have used it personally for years now. But that is different than running a business. A business needs simple easy to follow processes that are enabled by things like Proxmox, vCenter, and Hyper-V Manager.

                      Unless you use terraform or similar to build your servers on KVM. You would then need to leverage bash/powershell to do the builds. Then you have a very repeatable process that doesn't rely on GUI management. You can also use an open source tool like Jenkins to manage pipelines for deployment so it's easy repeatable.

                      I would say most SMBs who aren't trained in IaC would be better off with other options.

                      yeah we used KVM with just libvirt/qemu but we leveraged things like libguestfs and Ansible to do our deployments. Libguestfs allowed us to control templates and images and then Ansible did our cloning and VM creation/provisioning. You definitely want a good bit of IaC or configuration management experience to do that. However with that complexity, we had a lot of ability in certain areas that we wouldn't have had with vmware.

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                      • JaredBusch
                        JaredBusch last edited by

                        @stacksofplates @IRJ
                        While you are both correct with your statements. The idea that the typical SMB is using or even understands these tools is ignoring reality of the typical SMB.

                        This really sums it up.

                        @irj said in KVM or VMWare:

                        I would say most SMBs who aren't trained in IaC would be better off with other options.

                        This is why it is either vCenter, Proxmox, or Hyper-V Manager

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                        • IRJ
                          IRJ @JaredBusch last edited by IRJ

                          @jaredbusch said in KVM or VMWare:

                          @stacksofplates @IRJ
                          While you are both correct with your statements. The idea that the typical SMB is using or even understands these tools is ignoring reality of the typical SMB.

                          This really sums it up.

                          @irj said in KVM or VMWare:

                          I would say most SMBs who aren't trained in IaC would be better off with other options.

                          This is why it is either vCenter, Proxmox, or Hyper-V Manager

                          I agree, and I knew what you meant. However, you didn't specifically say SMB. You said any business. You did also mention it was places you consulted so it could be assumed you meant SMB.

                          However, this ML so I had to argue 🤣

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                          • JaredBusch
                            JaredBusch @IRJ last edited by

                            @irj said in KVM or VMWare:

                            However, this ML so I had to argue 🤣

                            +1

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                            • hobbit666
                              hobbit666 last edited by

                              What about XCP-ng? Would that be something to consider to run a business on?

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                              • Pete.S
                                Pete.S @hobbit666 last edited by Pete.S

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                                • JaredBusch
                                  JaredBusch @hobbit666 last edited by

                                  @hobbit666 said in KVM or VMWare:

                                  What about XCP-ng? Would that be something to consider to run a business on?

                                  I am unclear on how supported it is. Tech wise, it is still KVM.

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                                  • DustinB3403
                                    DustinB3403 @JaredBusch last edited by

                                    @jaredbusch said in KVM or VMWare:

                                    @hobbit666 said in KVM or VMWare:

                                    What about XCP-ng? Would that be something to consider to run a business on?

                                    I am unclear on how supported it is. Tech wise, it is still KVM.

                                    Xcp-ng isn't kvm, it's Xen.

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                                    • JaredBusch
                                      JaredBusch @DustinB3403 last edited by

                                      @dustinb3403 said in KVM or VMWare:

                                      @jaredbusch said in KVM or VMWare:

                                      @hobbit666 said in KVM or VMWare:

                                      What about XCP-ng? Would that be something to consider to run a business on?

                                      I am unclear on how supported it is. Tech wise, it is still KVM.

                                      Xcp-ng isn't kvm, it's Xen.

                                      I know that. I don't know why I typed KVM. I blame lack of coffee yesterday afternoon.

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                                      • dbeato
                                        dbeato @JaredBusch last edited by

                                        @jaredbusch It is supported you can either pay for support or run OpenSource.
                                        https://xcp-ng.com/

                                        It has been super stable compared to Xenserver/Citrix XenServer.

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                                        • notverypunny
                                          notverypunny @dbeato last edited by

                                          @dbeato said in KVM or VMWare:

                                          @jaredbusch It is supported you can either pay for support or run OpenSource.
                                          https://xcp-ng.com/

                                          It has been super stable compared to Xenserver/Citrix XenServer.

                                          Not looking to take over or diverge too much, but what stability issues did you have on Citrix? We're a 95% Citrix shop and rarely have issues with the hypervisor knock wood Just wondering if we're lucky or if there's something else at play.

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                                          • travisdh1
                                            travisdh1 @notverypunny last edited by

                                            @notverypunny said in KVM or VMWare:

                                            @dbeato said in KVM or VMWare:

                                            @jaredbusch It is supported you can either pay for support or run OpenSource.
                                            https://xcp-ng.com/

                                            It has been super stable compared to Xenserver/Citrix XenServer.

                                            Not looking to take over or diverge too much, but what stability issues did you have on Citrix? We're a 95% Citrix shop and rarely have issues with the hypervisor knock wood Just wondering if we're lucky or if there's something else at play.

                                            I never had any issues with stability when running Xenserver. I quit using it because they kept pulling features out of it, or charging licensing fees for features that were once free.

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