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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

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      • WrCombsW
        WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

        Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

        It helps if your being brought into an email chain , other than that.. No, unless you forget what's going on.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
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          I always have newest on first. Outlook defaults to conversation view, which is also newest on top.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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            @WrCombs said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

            @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

            Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

            It helps if your being brought into an email chain , other than that.. No, unless you forget what's going on.

            That's inside the email itself. That isn't adjusted by the reader. I mean the order of the emails themselves.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

              I always have newest on first. Outlook defaults to conversation view, which is also newest on top.

              Conversation view is just useless, though. That's a separate question, why does that exist? Everyone who uses it loses emails. It's like "email for people who weren't going to read or respond anyway."

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              • dbeatoD
                dbeato
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                @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                that exist? Everyone who uses it loses emails. It's like "email for people who weren't going to read or respond anyway."

                I don't I read the newest one. I hate conversation view. Android though through the Gmail app goes to the oldest email for me... it is annoying.

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                • ObsolesceO
                  Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                  Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                  What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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                    @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                    Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                    What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                    The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".

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                      Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                      @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                      Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                      What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                      The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".

                      Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.

                      If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                        @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                        Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                        What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                        A lot of things aren't that way. Thunderbird for example, is oldest first. I don't know what all, because I change everything to newest first once I start using it.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                          @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                          @DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                          @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                          Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                          What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                          The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".

                          Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.

                          If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.

                          I think Google is newest first email, but oldest first inside the conversation making it supremely confusing.

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                            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                            @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                            Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                            What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                            A lot of things aren't that way. Thunderbird for example, is oldest first. I don't know what all, because I change everything to newest first once I start using it.

                            OMG that's right! I remember that now. Yeah, TB is oldest first and I always thought that was the dumbest thing, and the first thing I change.

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                              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                              @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                              @DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                              @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                              Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                              What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                              The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".

                              Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.

                              If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.

                              I think Google is newest first email, but oldest first inside the conversation making it supremely confusing.

                              No, I currently use conversation view in Google and have not changed the default sorting. Conversation view does show the newest first. That's the one it shows in the list.

                              When you click into the email itself, it shows newest at the bottom, automatically takes you there, and hides the rest.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                @DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                                What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                                The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".

                                Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.

                                If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.

                                I think Google is newest first email, but oldest first inside the conversation making it supremely confusing.

                                No, I currently use conversation view in Google and have not changed the default sorting. Conversation view does show the newest first. That's the one it shows in the list.

                                When you click into the email itself, it shows newest at the bottom, automatically takes you there, and hides the rest.

                                Yeah, that's what I'm saying, their interface isn't consistent (other than being consistently the worst email experience ever made.) Slow and a train wreck. Constant pop ups, needing to go to different screens for things, OMG I've never hated any messaging system more. Google, I swear, is a secret Microsoft project to make people love Exchange. I never realized how good Exchange was till I had to use Gmail for something. Then it is like "Oh, Exchange is really just fine."

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                                  Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                  Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                                  What? I've never seen that. The default in Google and Outlook is newest first. The only thing that makes sense so you don't have to scroll to the bottom every time to check mail.

                                  The default in outlook is "Conversations view" and that's not the same as "newest first".

                                  Yes it is. The newest mail you receive in the conversation is what it is sorted by. It works great for me.

                                  If I need to find an older email, I'll search and find it quicker anyways, instead of guessing the date and scrolling around trying to find it.

                                  I think Google is newest first email, but oldest first inside the conversation making it supremely confusing.

                                  No, I currently use conversation view in Google and have not changed the default sorting. Conversation view does show the newest first. That's the one it shows in the list.

                                  When you click into the email itself, it shows newest at the bottom, automatically takes you there, and hides the rest.

                                  Yeah, that's what I'm saying, their interface isn't consistent (other than being consistently the worst email experience ever made.) Slow and a train wreck. Constant pop ups, needing to go to different screens for things, OMG I've never hated any messaging system more. Google, I swear, is a secret Microsoft project to make people love Exchange. I never realized how good Exchange was till I had to use Gmail for something. Then it is like "Oh, Exchange is really just fine."

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                    @Obsolesce yeah, oldest first in that view. The problem with CV is that you get your email list twice, not once. One is newest first, one is oldest first.

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                                    • black3dynamiteB
                                      black3dynamite
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                                      I think Evolution defaults to oldest email first.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
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                                        @black3dynamite said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                        I think Evolution defaults to oldest email first.

                                        It does! I worked with that like two days ago and then saw something else do it to. Evolution doing it was one of the things that prompted me to really think about it.

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                                          1337 @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                          Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                                          Yes, I want them in chronological order. Just like this thread is.

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                                            @Pete-S said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Why Do Email Readers Always Default to Oldest Email First:

                                            Seriously, does anyone actually read their email that way?

                                            Yes, I want them in chronological order. Just like this thread is.

                                            Ah, so perhaps ML should be sorted by newest first, and every post separate, rather than grouped by thread (conversation), and post at the end? LOL

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