Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
SO correct me here - But If I use a database server instance to compile data into folders and then use a mapped drive to send data to and from on mapped drives then wouldn't I be a fileserver using a database instance - not making it a database server?
Then you are in even worse shape because this is so ridiculous a court would see it as "intent to defraud" by making a slow, terrible system that makes no sense except to attempt to hide that you are violating a license.
This would be still having a database server (can you get data from the database? Then you have a server), but coopting the file server protocols to do it turning them into an API and thereby requiring that they be licensed as a server to keep using.
No matter how you skin the cat here, it's still a cat. There is a database server, it is managing data, and it is getting that data to other machines. That another service is put into that process to hide that is bad programming practice, but doesn't change licensing. Licensing is by use and intent, not visible protocol.
again - I might not have all of the information here to be able to tell you one way or another as this conversation goes on, I was simply asking -
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Example of local v network. If you have Spiceworks and you run it on a Windows 7 machine and you don't access it from anywhere on the network, but only exclusively use it on the local console, it is fine to run on Windows 7. But if you start accessing it from other machines on the network, it just turned into a network application server and needs Windows Server licensing for that access.
Something being a "server" doesn't require network access. We had servers long before we had networks. Windows licensing cares about something being a "network server", not just a server.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
We use a "Ctlsvr" to run the front of house along with 'server' - would that be like what you're talking about?
It might be. I don't have enough details on that particular service to know if it is or isn't. I know that that is a service of Aloha. But what I don't know is if that provides services to other machines or not. It might be a service that only does things for the machine on which it runs. We'd have to research that particular process more to know if it is only a local server (allowed on Windows 7/10) or a network server (not allowed on Windows 7/10.)
What would the difference be if it does provide the service to other PC's on the network ?
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
SO correct me here - But If I use a database server instance to compile data into folders and then use a mapped drive to send data to and from on mapped drives then wouldn't I be a fileserver using a database instance - not making it a database server?
Then you are in even worse shape because this is so ridiculous a court would see it as "intent to defraud" by making a slow, terrible system that makes no sense except to attempt to hide that you are violating a license.
This would be still having a database server (can you get data from the database? Then you have a server), but coopting the file server protocols to do it turning them into an API and thereby requiring that they be licensed as a server to keep using.
No matter how you skin the cat here, it's still a cat. There is a database server, it is managing data, and it is getting that data to other machines. That another service is put into that process to hide that is bad programming practice, but doesn't change licensing. Licensing is by use and intent, not visible protocol.
again - I might not have all of the information here to be able to tell you one way or another as this conversation goes on, I was simply asking -
I was assuming the hypothetical and answering in the matching hypothetical. If any software did this, this would be the result.
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
What would the difference be if it does provide the service to other PC's on the network ?
or doesnt?Local server vs. network server. Local servers are everywhere. Download Atom (the text file editor.) It's great. It also runs a full web and application server locally to do what it does. Even has a full network stack. It's a marvel of software engineering. Also a nice product.
But it doesn't talk over the network. It's all local. You can freely use it on Windows 7. No problem.
But using something like osTicket over a network turns your Windows 7 machine into a network server, and then requires Windows Server licensing.
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So consider this scenario.. because it sounds to be the basis of your point.
I have a java program that runs on my main PC, and shoots messages to my other PCs that are listening on a port.
At this point, I must throw away Windows Desktop and upgrade all of my machines to Windows Server?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
What would the difference be if it does provide the service to other PC's on the network ?
or doesnt?Local server vs. network server. Local servers are everywhere. Download Atom (the text file editor.) It's great. It also runs a full web and application server locally to do what it does. Even has a full network stack. It's a marvel of software engineering. Also a nice product.
But it doesn't talk over the network. It's all local. You can freely use it on Windows 7. No problem.
But using something like osTicket over a network turns your Windows 7 machine into a network server, and then requires Windows Server licensing.
Will osTicket run under IIS or does it have its own web server?
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@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
What would the difference be if it does provide the service to other PC's on the network ?
or doesnt?Local server vs. network server. Local servers are everywhere. Download Atom (the text file editor.) It's great. It also runs a full web and application server locally to do what it does. Even has a full network stack. It's a marvel of software engineering. Also a nice product.
But it doesn't talk over the network. It's all local. You can freely use it on Windows 7. No problem.
But using something like osTicket over a network turns your Windows 7 machine into a network server, and then requires Windows Server licensing.
Will osTicket run under IIS or does it have its own web server?
I think it would, but I bet it is a pain.
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@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I have a java program that runs on my main PC, and shoots messages to my other PCs that are listening on a port.
At this point, I must throw away Windows Desktop and upgrade all of my machines to Windows Server?No, that's not a server, that's a client. But I know where you are trying to go. So to answer EXACTLY what you asked, no, you are okay with the PC that we are looking at.
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@donaldlandru BUT....
If you wrote a Java application that listens for other applications to talk to it, that is a server. Servers listen, clients talk.
So you write a little Java application (stop using Java, by the way) and it listens for machines to tell them that they are ready for something, that would be a clear Windows desktop license violation and would require a Windows Server license.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I have a java program that runs on my main PC, and shoots messages to my other PCs that are listening on a port.
At this point, I must throw away Windows Desktop and upgrade all of my machines to Windows Server?No, that's not a server, that's a client. But I know where you are trying to go. So to answer EXACTLY what you asked, no, you are okay with the PC that we are looking at.
Ok. So every PC shoots back a message that says I did what you told me too, or here is my current status. Now my main PC needs a Windows server license?
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And this is what many products like Avimark and QuickBooks have done... they have kept using file services to handle the bulk of their communications. But for efficiency and data protection they have little server applications that run and communicate additional details out of band from the file server, they are literally data collaboration servers. That's the violation, that extra component requires Windows Server.
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@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
Ok. So every PC shoots back a message that says I did what you told me too, or here is my current status. Now my main PC needs a Windows server license?
In this kinda weird example, no. The original PC could stay on Windows 10 because it is "asking" for status. Unless they are doing something weird to respond, that's fine.
But what would be problematic is that each of the OTHER PCs that it is talking to, the ones that are listening, would all need Windows Server licenses! So it is not what you think, but is actually far worse than you were picturing!
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This would be crazy right, and would cause all kinds of insane licensing violations from things like backup tools, RMM agents, Salt and so forth, right?
Nope, there is a way to get around that licensing. It's called an "agent". The agent handles acting as a client to a central server, so that the server can issue commands as a response, rather than as a push. There is a standard model for making the "many" remain clients and the "few" remain servers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
Ok. So every PC shoots back a message that says I did what you told me too, or here is my current status. Now my main PC needs a Windows server license?
In this kinda weird example, no. The original PC could stay on Windows 10 because it is "asking" for status. Unless they are doing something weird to respond, that's fine.
But what would be problematic is that each of the OTHER PCs that it is talking to, the ones that are listening, would all need Windows Server licenses! So it is not what you think, but is actually far worse than you were picturing!
I think you have answered it perfectly! In Microsoft's ideal world almost every PC would need Windows Server.
I have iTunes installed and the iTunes remote app on my phone. I stream music from my iTunes Server and there is status commands back and forth.
I installed Plex Media Server on my main PC, there is a Windows Server (maybe could exclude this under file sharing, not sure)
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@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
Ok. So every PC shoots back a message that says I did what you told me too, or here is my current status. Now my main PC needs a Windows server license?
In this kinda weird example, no. The original PC could stay on Windows 10 because it is "asking" for status. Unless they are doing something weird to respond, that's fine.
But what would be problematic is that each of the OTHER PCs that it is talking to, the ones that are listening, would all need Windows Server licenses! So it is not what you think, but is actually far worse than you were picturing!
I think you have answered it perfectly! In Microsoft's ideal world almost every PC would need Windows Server.
I have iTunes installed and the iTunes remote app on my phone. I stream music from my iTunes Server and there is status commands back and forth.
I installed Plex Media Server on my main PC, there is a Windows Server (maybe could exclude this under file sharing, not sure)
Itunes and Plex generally share media files and so normally are just file servers. Just specialty ones. But technically it would come down to the protocols used.
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@donaldlandru said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I think you have answered it perfectly! In Microsoft's ideal world almost every PC would need Windows Serve
If that were possible, maybe. But realistically, MS just wants you to use servers as servers and desktops as desktops and it should be in reasonable ratios. And when done well, it's actually not very expensive. But all Windows is for people who didn't use Linux, so the entire ecosystem is a price premium.
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
SO correct me here - But If I use a database server instance to compile data into folders and then use a mapped drive to send data to and from on mapped drives then wouldn't I be a fileserver using a database instance - not making it a database server?
Then you are in even worse shape because this is so ridiculous a court would see it as "intent to defraud" by making a slow, terrible system that makes no sense except to attempt to hide that you are violating a license.
This would be still having a database server (can you get data from the database? Then you have a server), but coopting the file server protocols to do it turning them into an API and thereby requiring that they be licensed as a server to keep using.
No matter how you skin the cat here, it's still a cat. There is a database server, it is managing data, and it is getting that data to other machines. That another service is put into that process to hide that is bad programming practice, but doesn't change licensing. Licensing is by use and intent, not visible protocol.
again - I might not have all of the information here to be able to tell you one way or another as this conversation goes on, I was simply asking -
Buy a Windows Server license and enough CALs, slap the sticker on the Win7 box, then go home and sleep peacefully.
