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    • coliverC
      coliver @wirestyle22
      last edited by coliver

      @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

      So the reference to the website is on a local dns server and since the local server has no A record it's never hitting the forwarders because it's assuming it doesn't exist

      If it's a Primary Zone (which it probably is) it will never go to forwarders from itself. It just assumes it knows everything about the Zone.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @wirestyle22
        last edited by

        @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

        So the reference to the website is on a local dns server and since the local server has no A record it's never hitting the forwarders because it's assuming it doesn't exist

        Correct.

        To fix this, you need to add the records for that domain to your local DNS. The main issue you will likely run into is the no host domain name. i.e. microsoft.com... this would belong to your AD servers I believe, and you don't want to change that to point to your web server.

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        • wirestyle22W
          wirestyle22
          last edited by wirestyle22

          Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @wirestyle22
            last edited by

            @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

            Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

            What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

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            • wirestyle22W
              wirestyle22 @Dashrender
              last edited by wirestyle22

              @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

              @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

              Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

              What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

              ad.domain.com theoretically. Everything I've ever touched is already in place. Although i'd love to rebuild my families infrastructure from the ground up.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                He's too young to know the old days.

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                • wirestyle22W
                  wirestyle22 @JaredBusch
                  last edited by wirestyle22

                  @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                  @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                  @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                  Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                  What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                  He's too young to know the old days.

                  wat explain old man

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @wirestyle22
                    last edited by

                    @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                    @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                    @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                    Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                    What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                    ad.domain.com theoretically. Everything I've ever touched is already in place. Although i'd love to rebuild my families infrastructure from the ground up.

                    If it looks like this, then it owns domain.com

                    0_1541003666906_37e6ed15-1833-4522-b29e-14a6a5f9fb5b-image.png

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                    • wirestyle22W
                      wirestyle22 @JaredBusch
                      last edited by

                      @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                      @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                      @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                      @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                      Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                      What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                      ad.domain.com theoretically. Everything I've ever touched is already in place. Although i'd love to rebuild my families infrastructure from the ground up.

                      If it looks like this, then it owns domain.com

                      0_1541003666906_37e6ed15-1833-4522-b29e-14a6a5f9fb5b-image.png

                      It does

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch
                        last edited by

                        The red box not masking, is the A record for domain.com

                        Everything here is subdomain.domain.com and has matching records on CloudFlare for when not in the office...

                        0_1541003917152_181b885d-e0ce-4288-8c0e-aaa795316397-image.png

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                        • PhlipElderP
                          PhlipElder
                          last edited by

                          Are these Active Directory based domain controllers with AD integrated DNS set up?

                          Then DNS0 on all DCs should point to itself only. By default no other DNS server IP entry should be set on the NIC other than 127.0.0.1. Ever.

                          AD integrated DNS takes care of replicating changes and IDs among the DCs in a given forest/domain.

                          Never, ever, put a public DNS server anywhere but in the Forwarders location on an AD integrated DNS server.

                          DHCP should be handing out DNS entries for the AD DC DNS servers local to them or a tertiary if need-be for redundancy.

                          It sounds like whomever set things up had no idea how DNS works. 😛

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @PhlipElder
                            last edited by

                            @PhlipElder totally.

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                            • PhlipElderP
                              PhlipElder @JaredBusch
                              last edited by

                              @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                              @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                              @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                              @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                              Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                              What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                              ad.domain.com theoretically. Everything I've ever touched is already in place. Although i'd love to rebuild my families infrastructure from the ground up.

                              If it looks like this, then it owns domain.com

                              0_1541003666906_37e6ed15-1833-4522-b29e-14a6a5f9fb5b-image.png

                              Oh man, what a mess.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @PhlipElder
                                last edited by

                                @PhlipElder said in DNS Update Issue:

                                @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                                @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                                @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                                @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                                Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                                What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                                ad.domain.com theoretically. Everything I've ever touched is already in place. Although i'd love to rebuild my families infrastructure from the ground up.

                                If it looks like this, then it owns domain.com

                                0_1541003666906_37e6ed15-1833-4522-b29e-14a6a5f9fb5b-image.png

                                Oh man, what a mess.

                                Meh, not bad actually. Perfect? No. But small enough to not be a problem really.

                                Definitely not what I would do now if I set it up new.

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                                • PhlipElderP
                                  PhlipElder @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by PhlipElder

                                  @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                                  @PhlipElder said in DNS Update Issue:

                                  @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                                  @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                                  Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                                  What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                                  ad.domain.com theoretically. Everything I've ever touched is already in place. Although i'd love to rebuild my families infrastructure from the ground up.

                                  If it looks like this, then it owns domain.com

                                  0_1541003666906_37e6ed15-1833-4522-b29e-14a6a5f9fb5b-image.png

                                  Oh man, what a mess.

                                  Meh, not bad actually. Perfect? No. But small enough to not be a problem really.

                                  Definitely not what I would do now if I set it up new.

                                  Okay, the masking threw me off.

                                  _msdcs.domain.local
                                  domain.com
                                  domain.local
                                  ^^Zones?

                                  Why domain.com?

                                  When we split DNS we usually leave domain.com to Internet DNS even if Location.Domain.Com is internal.

                                  Then we set up the required internal DNS FLZs for services:
                                  Remote.Domain.Com
                                  SharePoint.Domain.Com
                                  Mail.Domain.Com
                                  LoB.Domain.Com

                                  Application Request Routing (ARR) is used to parlay incoming HTTPS calls to their respective owners (RDS, Exchange, SharePoint, LoB) so we only require one WAN IP address with Internet DNS A records for the above pointing to the WAN IP address.

                                  EDIT: To get around the AutoDiscover.Domain.Com we use the _autodiscover SRV record method.

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                                  • wirestyle22W
                                    wirestyle22 @PhlipElder
                                    last edited by wirestyle22

                                    @PhlipElder said in DNS Update Issue:

                                    Are these Active Directory based domain controllers with AD integrated DNS set up?

                                    Then DNS0 on all DCs should point to itself only. By default no other DNS server IP entry should be set on the NIC other than 127.0.0.1. Ever.

                                    loopback address on multiple domain controllers as primary? Contrary to everything I have read. Discussing with Jared right now.

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                                    • wirestyle22W
                                      wirestyle22
                                      last edited by

                                      I have no idea why I had this misconception. So I have been doing this incorrectly. Loopback addresses on all DC's. I just realized that there is no benefit to anything else.

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @PhlipElder
                                        last edited by

                                        @PhlipElder said in DNS Update Issue:

                                        Why domain.com?

                                        I didn't set it up. THis is how I acquired it.

                                        Not worth the effort to change everything.

                                        Exchange 2007 was also installed on a DC. /sigh

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                                        • wirestyle22W
                                          wirestyle22 @JaredBusch
                                          last edited by

                                          @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                                          Exchange 2007 was also installed on a DC. /sigh

                                          That's especially rough. I thought a file server was bad.

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
                                            last edited by

                                            @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                                            @PhlipElder said in DNS Update Issue:

                                            @JaredBusch said in DNS Update Issue:

                                            @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                                            @Dashrender said in DNS Update Issue:

                                            @wirestyle22 said in DNS Update Issue:

                                            Simple case of me never doing this wrong I guess. What a weird thing to screw up. Didn't really have time to sift through it all.

                                            What do you normally use for your top level domain on an AD build?

                                            ad.domain.com theoretically. Everything I've ever touched is already in place. Although i'd love to rebuild my families infrastructure from the ground up.

                                            If it looks like this, then it owns domain.com

                                            0_1541003666906_37e6ed15-1833-4522-b29e-14a6a5f9fb5b-image.png

                                            Oh man, what a mess.

                                            Meh, not bad actually. Perfect? No. But small enough to not be a problem really.

                                            Definitely not what I would do now if I set it up new.

                                            This is just a throw back to the new days of AD. MS suggested just this - then after a while they suggested domain.local for the internal domain, and now they recommend ad.domain.com for the internal domain.

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