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    • Emad RE
      Emad R @JaredBusch
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      @jaredbusch

      I will take the floor and rant:

      Well Ubuntu, actually Canonical are acting alot like MS with recent innovation, I dont like the way they are heading and taking the community.

      For example snap packages, what stupid concept and abit shady, it creates abstraction layer that should not be there in the first place, and it is tied to their OS and only recently it got open to other distros, but it open grounds for newer way of apps that are paid, I dont mind paid apps and supporting the devs, but not knowing what is inside , why they want to push the user more and more away from manually installing packages and be in charge, instead with snaps this allows others in charge which is usually a bad thing + snap apps are not like "real" apps they have poor performance, try running rocketchat in a snap, sure it takes 1 min to setup but its very slow and laggy, which gives the wrong impression on linux, and what more that I can say when skype gets released as snap package in quick manner.

      Secondly why reinvent the wheel with docker and create lxd, really who would use number 2 ? when they can use number 1, i feel canonical stopped innovating since 8.04 and 8.10, and with that big fiasco of UNity UI and forcing on users same way Win10 does. The problem is not with Ubuntu desktop or server, Its with the management that have to fork everything and make it canonical, I think the crisis started when Ubuntu stopped down-streaming on Debian unstable, and created their own stuff that does not benefit the community, and I dont see any scenario to use ubuntu server or desktop, when there are other OS actually by just using them you benefit the community in the upsteam/downstream cycle, when ubuntu was based on debian unstable, using ubuntu helped debian and visa versa.

      Now with Fedora workstation, no real need for Ubuntu desktop, same goes for the server, the only reason to use ubuntu server is cause there is software that is tied to ubuntu server like openstack or MAAS, not from innovations but from money that made those software closer to ubuntu.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Emad R
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        @emad-r said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

        Secondly why reinvent the wheel with docker and create lxd, really who would use number 2 ?

        Actually Docker is the reinvented wheel there. LXC predates it by a LONG time and for the first few years Docker was just extra stuff on top of LXC. LXD is just a really nice interface for LXC.

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          Alex Sage @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

          LXD is just a really nice interface for LXC.

          Huh? LXD still uses LXC under the hood...

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          • IRJI
            IRJ
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            I like Ubuntu

            (gets vegetables thrown at me)

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            • travisdh1T
              travisdh1 @IRJ
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              @irj said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

              I like Ubuntu

              (gets vegetables thrown at me)

              Throws a Windows 8 box at @aaronstuder, that for your silly "desktop acting like a tablet" gui!

              Yeah, I never understood the appeal of having a desktop interface that could also run on a tablet or phone. Made the large monitor feel so dis-used.

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              • IRJI
                IRJ
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                I use RHEL and CentOS for production stuff at work since we have support, but I have no problem with Unbuntu for my personal stuff

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                • brandon220B
                  brandon220
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                  It has been a while since I have deployed Ubuntu Server with the exception of my Unifi Controller. I honestly did not try it on Cent or Fedora. I can't say that I ever had any real issues with Ubuntu. Years ago, it seemed very popular and that is most likely why I started using it.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @brandon220
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                    @brandon220 said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                    It has been a while since I have deployed Ubuntu Server with the exception of my Unifi Controller. I honestly did not try it on Cent or Fedora. I can't say that I ever had any real issues with Ubuntu. Years ago, it seemed very popular and that is most likely why I started using it.

                    It was (and probably still is) a hugely popular desktop OS for those that want to run desktop Linux.

                    But I was always a RHEL and CentOS OS user for my servers.

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                    • dbeatoD
                      dbeato
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                      I started my Linux career with Mandriva but soon moved to Debian and Ubuntu. I am still a fan of Debian instead of ubuntu but the setup of Selinux with Fedora, CentOS and others which Ubuntu still has which is going to move me there soon.

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                      • momurdaM
                        momurda @dbeato
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                        @dbeato You arent a fan of apparmor? Neither am I. At least selinux can be installed on deb/ubu rather easily.

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                        • dbeatoD
                          dbeato @momurda
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                          @momurda said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                          @dbeato You arent a fan of apparmor? Neither am I. At least selinux can be installed on deb/ubu rather easily.

                          I am not a fan of apparmor for sure.

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                          • black3dynamiteB
                            black3dynamite @momurda
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                            @momurda said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                            @dbeato You arent a fan of apparmor? Neither am I. At least selinux can be installed on deb/ubu rather easily.

                            I knew about selinux way before I knew about apparmor.

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                            • black3dynamiteB
                              black3dynamite
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                              What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @black3dynamite
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                                @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                                What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

                                Simplicity for the user base. . .

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                                • dbeatoD
                                  dbeato @black3dynamite
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                                  @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                                  What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

                                  UFW is enabled on Ubuntu by default.

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                                  • black3dynamiteB
                                    black3dynamite @dbeato
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                                    @dbeato said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                                    @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                                    What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

                                    UFW is enabled on Ubuntu by default.

                                    What's the default rules for inbounds?

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                                    • dbeatoD
                                      dbeato @black3dynamite
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                                      @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                                      @dbeato said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                                      @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

                                      What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

                                      UFW is enabled on Ubuntu by default.

                                      What's the default rules for inbounds?

                                      It is supposed to be incoming deny and outgoing allow.

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                                      • CloudKnightC
                                        CloudKnight
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                                        Don't like the desktop really, but I actually quite like the server edition.

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                                        • vhinzsanchezV
                                          vhinzsanchez @CloudKnight
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                                          Really like what I'm reading here and the other threads/community...but I'm still a linux newbie (for several years)..I do not claim to know it all or anything to be advanced, but has stuck with what we have here (Ubuntu server) which I know enough on how to manage.

                                          On the desktop side, I've had it in my personal laptop which is now decommissioned due to hardware failure. I actually liked the desktop (have not tried other ones though...aside from Windows 🤣 ).

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                                          • hobbit666H
                                            hobbit666
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                                            My default is normally CentOS no real reason apart from it's what I've always used. But as I'm a newbie as such with Linux if the install guide shows Ubuntu then I'll use that.

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