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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

      @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

      Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.

      The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
      But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.

      It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.

      Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.

      Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

        @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

        @jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

        @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

        @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

        @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

        Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs

        Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?

        Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.

        MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.

        I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.

        I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.

        In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.

        I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.

        Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
        Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lol

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @Dashrender
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          @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

          @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

          @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

          @jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

          @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

          @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

          @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

          Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs

          Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?

          Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.

          MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.

          I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.

          I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.

          In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.

          I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.

          Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
          Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lol

          Yeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.

          Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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            @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

            @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

            @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

            Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.

            The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
            But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.

            It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.

            Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.

            Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.

            Have a chat with them about security, instead of about proper file formats.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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              @tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              @jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

              Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs

              Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?

              Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.

              MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.

              I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.

              I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.

              In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.

              I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.

              Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
              Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lol

              Yeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.

              Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.

              Although that highlights a reason to change - only go through the breakage once, instead of on a regular basis.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs

                Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?

                Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.

                MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.

                I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.

                I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.

                In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.

                I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.

                Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
                Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lol

                Yeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.

                Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.

                Although that highlights a reason to change - only go through the breakage once, instead of on a regular basis.

                For sure.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                  @tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                  Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs

                  Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?

                  Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.

                  MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.

                  I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.

                  I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.

                  In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.

                  I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.

                  Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
                  Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lol

                  Yeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.

                  Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.

                  Although that highlights a reason to change - only go through the breakage once, instead of on a regular basis.

                  For sure.

                  Not that LO could never have formatting issues, I've just never seen it. Been on it for 18 years at least, not one issue like MS Office users seem to get all the time.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                    @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                    @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                    Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.

                    The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
                    But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.

                    It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.

                    Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.

                    Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.

                    Have a chat with them about security, instead of about proper file formats.

                    LOL - they could care less about security. But it is a good place to start a conversation with someone who might. But like so many users - they would likely push back because of the perceived additional work they have to do.

                    Today - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo, click send file to email, email.
                    Tomorrow - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo (allows for future edits), save as PDF, get PDF into email, email.

                    Sure it's not rocket science, but there is clearly a new step needed.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                      Well I guess I'll just have to buy O365 to get Word and Excel. Then buy Google Apps to get Drive. Then buy some other suite just to get a decent intranet. Then another suite to get some notes. Then another suite just to get the wiki. ffs

                      Why do you need Word and Excel? I mean lots of people need them but why do you?

                      Because all the non-techy people are used to Office. I only recently finally got them to stop using old copies of Office 2007. At least now they can use 2016 on O365. They will not use anything else, and threw a hissy fit when MS started pushing Office as a subscription model. They were THIS close to forcing us to keep using 2007 just because we happened to have those licenses and the software still runs fine.

                      MS's licensing model is such a pain. All I want is updated software, and all the boss wants is to not spend thousands of dollars upgrading when the old stuff "still works". And nothing compares to Word/Excel right now. Don't even bother telling me to try doing spreadsheets in the cloud in a web browser on Google. No chance of ever getting anybody around here to do that.

                      I use LibreOffice on Windows and it runs perfectly. Most users do not know the difference. Power user of course would.

                      I call BS - most if not ALL users would know the difference, but would they care - assuming formatting it identical, they would probably wouldn't care.

                      In tests that I've seen, users actually couldn't tell it wasn't MS Office. That users feel they need MS Office is something that they repeat, but rarely based on something real.

                      I agree with you on the point of people repeating that they need something they likely don't. But as already mentioned, the last time I looked at converting, the layouts changed drastically between MS Office and anything else, that made it a no go.

                      Plus, as just mentioned, we still get many quotes in doc or docx format for whatever crazy reason...
                      Perhaps I should just start changing pricing and submit the signed quote back to them (which is a PDF because I print and sign it.) lol

                      Yeah I hear ya. Just going to a different versions of MS Office can create weeks of work reformatting large spreadsheets for some people. I can imaging going to a completely different software.

                      Starting out with nothing, I'd definitely go with LO.

                      Although that highlights a reason to change - only go through the breakage once, instead of on a regular basis.

                      What regular basis? I didn't have to update my forms between MS Office versions. Arguably we should have when the format changed from doc to docx, but that's a once and done situation as well.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                        @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                        @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                        @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                        Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.

                        The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
                        But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.

                        It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.

                        Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.

                        Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.

                        Have a chat with them about security, instead of about proper file formats.

                        LOL - they could care less about security. But it is a good place to start a conversation with someone who might. But like so many users - they would likely push back because of the perceived additional work they have to do.

                        Today - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo, click send file to email, email.
                        Tomorrow - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo (allows for future edits), save as PDF, get PDF into email, email.

                        Sure it's not rocket science, but there is clearly a new step needed.

                        But you can modify the Word doc and change the quotes.

                        People do this, and it holds up in court. It's a hilarious trick to play.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                          @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                          @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                          @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                          Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.

                          The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
                          But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.

                          It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.

                          Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.

                          Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.

                          Have a chat with them about security, instead of about proper file formats.

                          LOL - they could care less about security. But it is a good place to start a conversation with someone who might. But like so many users - they would likely push back because of the perceived additional work they have to do.

                          Today - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo, click send file to email, email.
                          Tomorrow - open template, add line items, save docx to local repo (allows for future edits), save as PDF, get PDF into email, email.

                          Sure it's not rocket science, but there is clearly a new step needed.

                          But you can modify the Word doc and change the quotes.

                          People do this, and it holds up in court. It's a hilarious trick to play.

                          Yeah, assuming all they have is the signed changed document... it only take getting bit by that once for a company to change - I'm guessing.

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                            black3dynamite @Dashrender
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                            @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                            @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                            Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.

                            The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
                            But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.

                            It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.

                            Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.

                            Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.

                            I've also seen quotes in html format too.

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                              Dashrender @black3dynamite
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                              @black3dynamite said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                              @dashrender said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                              @guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                              Theme is only part of it really. Though I really wish they would modernize.

                              The MS ribbon didn't get good reviews when it first came out. Anything different is immediately attacked.
                              But over time it makes sense, organizing groups of similar buttons and collapsing the ribbon, etc. LO and OO are still just like, 'here are 142 buttons all in rows, you're welcome'.

                              It's less about the theme I think, and more about file compatibility. I can open Word files sent to me by others, but it's not always the case an ODF or something will be compatible with some other person's Office 2010, or that the formatting will remain the same when we send it to them even if they can open it.

                              Why would others send you Word files, though? Word is for collaboration, not something you'd get from the outside. And from the inside, once you've switched, the problem is solved.

                              Don't ask me why - but tons of vendors send word documents for quotes instead of PDFs. I tried to kill doc and docx files at our gateway - the pitch forks came out in droves!.

                              I've also seen quotes in html format too.

                              lol - yeah, vendors who use changable formats just amaze me!!!

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                                Francesco Provino
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                                I’ve tried hard pushing LO in my own company, and the result was like that:

                                1. Power users cannot do some tricky stuff with pivot tables and macros, so they eventually switch back to office;
                                2. Basic users need to open common files with the power users, so it was a big mess of weird formatting, formulas not working etc.
                                3. Customers sometime submits spreadsheets that won’t work on LO.

                                After two years, I just give up and give o365 to everyone. Maybe a company made of just tech peoples exchanging mails only with other techie can use efficiently LO or even a custom LaTeX template, pure markdown etc, but real companies aren’t like that.

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                                • stacksofplatesS
                                  stacksofplates @Francesco Provino
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                                  @francesco-provino said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                  pivot tables and macros

                                  That crap should be in a database. I effing hate Excel.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                                    @stacksofplates said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                    @francesco-provino said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                    pivot tables and macros

                                    That crap should be in a database. I effing hate Excel.

                                    I'm always amazed by this, too. How often does it really make sense to have big complicated spreadsheets on desktops? I mean there must be use cases, but it always seems like a bad idea.

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                                      Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                      @stacksofplates said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                      @francesco-provino said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                      pivot tables and macros

                                      That crap should be in a database. I effing hate Excel.

                                      I'm always amazed by this, too. How often does it really make sense to have big complicated spreadsheets on desktops? I mean there must be use cases, but it always seems like is a bad idea.

                                      FTFY

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                                        @francesco-provino said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                        1. Basic users need to open common files with the power users, so it was a

                                        My users do not have any issues. LO and MS Office can open each other's native file formats transparently.

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                                          JaredBusch @JaredBusch
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                                          @jaredbusch said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                          @francesco-provino said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:

                                          1. Basic users need to open common files with the power users, so it was a

                                          My users do not have any issues. LO and MS Office can open each other's native file formats transparently.

                                          Also if you have to force the issue, there are settings for that. Turn off the warning, and change the default file format to MS versions. Done.

                                          Anyone bitching otherwise for anything but power users doesn't know what they are talking about.

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                                            Francesco Provino
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                                            What? Some of our content is not supported in the ODF file format. And of course we cannot have a double standard.

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