Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
SA! Are you kidding, these are Server 2008 vm's.
These vm's are LoB vm's, printserver etc. Nothing like Exchange that can be hosted.Nope, I’m not kidding. There are places that keep SA current for the purpose of one day upgrading their OSes (and subsequently never do because of [insert nonsense here] )—not that that’s the best use of SA. Since I know nothing about your situation, I ask these questions.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why replace with 2 servers? I'm guessing you could easily get this entire load on a single server.
Correct. The second server will be a backup server.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
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@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Also $$ reasons, more upgrades will require more $$ & I'm not the one writing the check.
The available budget can only go so far. -
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Also $$ reasons, more upgrades will require more $$ & I'm not the one writing the check.
The available budget can only go so far.The one writing the check needs to understand how much of this stuff is beyond end of life and invest in more than just upgrading the DC.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
roposed software solution:
Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Buy backup software (see #3 below)Proposed hardware solution:
Buy 2 new servers.
Choose hypervisor: 2016 Hyper-V or Fedora KVM
Choose backup solutionThoughts, feedback, ideas...all suggestions are welcome?
Why not just a single modern server? Something like a Dell R730xd would do it all so easily. They really aren't much more than another modern server. The expensive part depends on the hard drive / ssd setup. Still cheaper than two servers.
Edit: Depending on budget, a R630 may be better. Mostly due to smaller extra costs adding up. The R730 warranty is a little more, for example. But some Rx30 would be good.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Also $$ reasons, more upgrades will require more $$ & I'm not the one writing the check.
The available budget can only go so far.Sounds like the one writing the checks needs to have it pointed out that if they can't afford to keep current, they can't afford the platform or the software that uses it.
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@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why not just a single modern server? Something like a Dell R730xd would do it all so easily. They really aren't much more than another modern server. The expensive part depends on the hard drive / ssd setup. Still cheaper than two servers.
Edit: Depending on budget, a R630 may be better. Mostly due to smaller extra costs adding up. The R730 warranty is a little more, for example. But some Rx30 would be good.
That is the plan. The second server is a backup server.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why not just a single modern server? Something like a Dell R730xd would do it all so easily. They really aren't much more than another modern server. The expensive part depends on the hard drive / ssd setup. Still cheaper than two servers.
Edit: Depending on budget, a R630 may be better. Mostly due to smaller extra costs adding up. The R730 warranty is a little more, for example. But some Rx30 would be good.
That is the plan. The second server is a backup server.
Gotcha, I responded before reading comments.
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It looks like the software costs for Windows Server(s) and CALs will probably be more than the hardware.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Why replace with 2 servers? I'm guessing you could easily get this entire load on a single server.
Correct. The second server will be a backup server.
huh, that's a lot of money. Is it warranted? I like the idea, but it's not about likes, it's about business cases. For example, do you have redundancies in your current VMs?
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@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
It looks like the software costs for Windows Server(s) and CALs will probably be more than the hardware.
Nope, that's the reason why I'm getting just a single Server 2016 Std lic for the DC upgrade. The rest of the vm's stay at their current o/s.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
It looks like the software costs for Windows Server(s) and CALs will probably be more than the hardware.
Nope, that's the reason why I'm getting just a single Server 2016 Std lic for the DC upgrade. The rest of the vm's stay at their current o/s.
How many CALs are you going to need, roughly?
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
huh, that's a lot of money. Is it warranted? I like the idea, but it's not about likes, it's about business cases. For example, do you have redundancies in your current VMs?
Redundancies..can you re-ask?
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Linux SMB provides AD - most things can't tell the difference unless there is a specific feature of AD 2016 the LOB needs.
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@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
How many CALs are you going to need, roughly?
Let's see, I need a CAL for every user & server that connects to the "new 2016" DC?
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Also $$ reasons, more upgrades will require more $$ & I'm not the one writing the check.
The available budget can only go so far.Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Linux SMB provides AD - most things can't tell the difference unless there is a specific feature of AD 2016 the LOB needs.
This ^^ is worth taking a look at!
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
How many CALs are you going to need, roughly?
Let's see, I need a CAL for every user & server that connects to the "new 2016" DC?
Any user that will touch any service what so ever that new 2016 software provides.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
