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@stuartjordan while I generally agree with your sentiments, I don't believe Microsoft has dumped the Desktop. I do believe that it is being used as a lab for their server operating systems on a mass scale.
Not until OEM makers support Linux more commonly (and reasonably priced) will the Linux Desktop become a major player.
Software developers have decades of sunk cost into the Windows platforms and they are hell bent on not having to forklift their applications to the myriad of different Linux OS's
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@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Software developers have decades of sunk cost into the Windows platforms and they are hell bent on not having to forklift their applications to the myriad of different Linux OS's
This is the root of the issue in my mind. Linux is TOO flexible.
Android only works, in my opinion, because Google limited it in the ways they did. Luckily the craptastic launchers that many vendors put on top of plain android haven't done enough to kill it.
But if different GUIs in Linux caused programmers/devs to have to code to specific ones, that would be yet another nail in the coffin. -
Microsoft are helping a lot adding to the kernel. I'm sure if they really want to help in the future they could help more with wine compatibility. If they could help with running more programs on Linux would be great.
I personally think they should move over to a linux based MS OS with a compatibility layer for windows software. Just imagine how much less work they would have if they started using the Linux kernel. Not that there is anything bad with the NT based kernel. They already reduced their windows based team years ago. Probably the reason why they are doing pieces at the time with Windows 10.
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@stuartjordan said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Microsoft are helping a lot adding to the kernel. I'm sure if they really want to help in the future they could help more with wine compatibility. If they could help with running more programs on Linux would be great.
I personally think they should move over to a linux based MS OS with a compatibility layer for windows software. Just imagine how much less work they would have if they started using the Linux kernel. Not that there is anything bad with the NT based kernel. They already reduced their windows based team years ago. Probably the reason why they are doing pieces at the time with Windows 10.
I think Microsoft moving to the Linux kernel is a given at this point.
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How much emulation is needed if they tried moving to the Linux kernel?
If they could keep the Windows Explorer GUI on the Linux Kernel... that would be HUGE.
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
How much emulation is needed if they tried moving to the Linux kernel?
If they could keep the Windows Explorer GUI on the Linux Kernel... that would be HUGE.
Quite a bit, but WINE has already done SO much of that work, and Steam has done most of the rest. So while a lot of work is needed, a lot is potentially already done.
And MS has always done the opposite, I would be surprised if Windows Explorer on Linux doesn't exist somewhere inside MS.
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I wonder why they'd do it, though. The Windows NT kernel isn't bad.
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@stuartjordan said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I personally think they should move over to a linux based MS OS with a compatibility layer for windows software. Just imagine how much less work they would have if they started using the Linux kernel. Not that there is anything bad with the NT based kernel.
That's true. But I think that the effort on the kernel isn't all that bad and having their own gives them some notoriety and control.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
How much emulation is needed if they tried moving to the Linux kernel?
If they could keep the Windows Explorer GUI on the Linux Kernel... that would be HUGE.
Quite a bit, but WINE has already done SO much of that work, and Steam has done most of the rest. So while a lot of work is needed, a lot is potentially already done.
And MS has always done the opposite, I would be surprised if Windows Explorer on Linux doesn't exist somewhere inside MS.
This is where I have zero knowledge. I didn't know how much was kernel stuff versus how much was DLL emulation?
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
This is where I have zero knowledge. I didn't know how much was kernel stuff versus how much was DLL emulation?
Wine doesn't emulate, it actually makes the DLL's run on the system as designed (granted often with mixed results).
W.I.N.E - Wine is not (an) Emulator
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
How much emulation is needed if they tried moving to the Linux kernel?
If they could keep the Windows Explorer GUI on the Linux Kernel... that would be HUGE.
Quite a bit, but WINE has already done SO much of that work, and Steam has done most of the rest. So while a lot of work is needed, a lot is potentially already done.
And MS has always done the opposite, I would be surprised if Windows Explorer on Linux doesn't exist somewhere inside MS.
This is where I have zero knowledge. I didn't know how much was kernel stuff versus how much was DLL emulation?
DLL is definitely the bulk of it. Kernel emulation tends to not be all that bad. "Tends"....
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@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
This is where I have zero knowledge. I didn't know how much was kernel stuff versus how much was DLL emulation?
Wine doesn't emulate, it actually makes the DLL's run on the system as designed (granted often with mixed results).
W.I.N.E - Wine is not (an) Emulator
Yeah, I know/knew the acronym mean not emulator, but if it's not an emulator, then what is it doing? is it replacing real DLL calls to replacement DLLs that don't require emulation? or whatever Linux uses instead of DLLs?
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
This is where I have zero knowledge. I didn't know how much was kernel stuff versus how much was DLL emulation?
Wine doesn't emulate, it actually makes the DLL's run on the system as designed (granted often with mixed results).
W.I.N.E - Wine is not (an) Emulator
Yeah, I know/knew the acronym mean not emulator, but if it's not an emulator, then what is it doing? is it replacing real DLL calls to replacement DLLs that don't require emulation? or whatever Linux uses instead of DLLs?
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@dustinb3403 OK so translation instead of emulation... not sure that's really better,
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dustinb3403 OK so translation instead of emulation... not sure that's really better,
I would consider a translation the most one could do, the people who develop WINE don't have the source code for the programs they are getting to work on Linux.
And the Linux Kernel doesn't have Windows Source code... so there has to be some translation.
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@scottalanmiller That link not working Scott.
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@stuartjordan said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller That link not working Scott.
Likely fake news. Someone writing about something they didn't understand.
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@obsolesce It looks like it's the actual FQDN thats the issue. Dns Issue they are having.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
nearly-all-microsoft-365-customers-have-suffered-email-data-breaches
I googled
nearly-all-microsoft-365-customers-have-suffered-email-data-breaches
and found a link that did work.and yeah.. less than great article in my opinion.
