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    • wrx7mW
      wrx7m @NerdyDad
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      @nerdydad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

      Anybody can be killed by anything. The general population is looking at this the wrong way. If we outlaw guns, then criminals are going to begin using knives or bombs. Try to outlaw those, and people will begin to use rope, or cars, or construction equipment. The point it, where do you draw the line at "keeping people safe". Criminals will always have guns. Why? Because they are criminals. They obviously show no care for the law. They are going to do what they want to do.

      This isn't a government issue that can be solved with a law. This is a society issue on how we respect and treat one another.

      Case in "point" -
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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @NerdyDad
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        @nerdydad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

        This isn't a government issue that can be solved with a law. This is a society issue on how we respect and treat one another.

        That's not really true. Crimes come from individuals, not societies. Societies act through law, individuals through actions. You can't solve individuals by altering society. But societies can decide that they feel they should respect each other and make laws to that effect.

        So really, I feel your statement is in conflict. The law to limit the casual availability of knives is, in fact, society taking action to say that we recognize the need for respecting the rights and safety of others more than we respect our personal rights to wield unnecessarily dangerous objects for no logical reason.

        In a society that respects each other, and recognizes through logic that humans are emotional and societal norms alone cannot change that under any conditions, and that laws must be used to action societal respect... would logically do exactly the thing that you don't want them to do.

        It is the role of government to do exactly things like this. And yes, laws are there to solve many things, and this presumably is a good move. It's there to help protect people from themselves. Most importantly, not individuals from themselves, but innocent third parties from people who didn't worry about the safety of their knives because it was someone else that was at risk because of their decision.

        If you want to make society recognize respect, this is how it has to take form.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @NerdyDad
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          @nerdydad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

          Criminals will always have guns. Why? Because they are criminals. They obviously show no care for the law. They are going to do what they want to do.

          That makes no sense. In countries where guns aren't allowed, criminals almost never have guns.

          Criminals will always be willing to break the law. That criminals can break the law is a completely different matter and not universal. There is a reason why in China, for example, gun crimes essentially don't exist. Because getting a gun is hard, hiding a gun is nearly impossible - because there isn't any smokescreen of "right to carry" making it impossible for people to identify threats or not until it is too late.

          If you carry a gun in China, you will probably get caught. Guns for criminals is uniquely a US problem because of our insane gun laws for non-criminals.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            It's fine to be pro-gun ownership. You can argue the value of guns over safety. But what can't be argued is that that is what is required. Broad availability of weapons reduces safety, that's established. Americans broadly believe that individual rights are far more important than societal safety. It's a unique ethical stance shared by no other large society. But it is an ethics position, and ethics positions aren't right or wrong, just different or the same.

            But that has to be understood as a basis for any discussion. Personally, I believe no individual right is ethical if it comes at the cost of the rights of others. I believe people should be free within their own space, until that freedom comes at the cost of localized lessening of freedoms of others.

            Basically - all people should be equally free. Laws should never favour the freedom of the rich or the powerful at the cost of the weak or poor; or favour those willing to take away freedom over those willing to respect it. But that's counter to the standard American ethical position which favours "as much freedom as one can take from others."

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            • PenguinWranglerP
              PenguinWrangler @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

              That's the issue with knives, we choose what we feel is best for others. The people in question aren't the buyers or choosers of the knives, but those that don't choose them.

              What exactly do you mean by this? Me choosing to have a nice set of pointy Kitchen cutlery in my house does not mean it is best for you, nor would I ever say it was. You are free to have or not have any kitchen cutlery. Only you can determine that.

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              • PenguinWranglerP
                PenguinWrangler @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                But what can't be argued is that that is what is required. Broad availability of weapons reduces safety,

                Then why does California have higher crime rate than Texas? Guns are much much more available in Texas than in California.

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre
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                  There's also the point that anything can harm you accidentally -- Paper cuts anybody? How about toothpicks?

                  Anything can be turned into a weapon too. A pencil... a Pen... a rock, a stick... I'd have to try real hard with a toothpick... less so with it's larger cousin Clue by Four...

                  There comes a point where it becomes absurd to try and legislate things away... Don't make something fool proof... cause a bigger fool will always come along.

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                  • momurdaM
                    momurda @PenguinWrangler
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                    @penguinwrangler That isnt true. In America, you can buy a gun anywhere at any time. California has just as many guns as Texas. the higher crime rate(if that is even true, i doubt it) is likely due to higher poverty rate.

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch
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                      Y'all shut the fuck up and take it elsewhere.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch
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                        Fortinet announced the acquisition of Bradford Networks

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                        • dafyreD
                          dafyre @JaredBusch
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                          @jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                          Y'all shut the fuck up and take it elsewhere.

                          #ThatKilledIt

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                          • jmooreJ
                            jmoore @JaredBusch
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                            @jaredbusch Good article thanks

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce
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                              Asus' Project Precog
                              https://www.cnet.com/news/forget-wwdc-asus-showed-us-the-sexiest-tech-of-tomorrow/

                              Nice!

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                @jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                Fortinet announced the acquisition of Bradford Networks

                                What did Bradford make?

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                                • wrx7mW
                                  wrx7m @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                  @jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                  Fortinet announced the acquisition of Bradford Networks

                                  What did Bradford make?

                                  https://www.bradfordnetworks.com/products/network-sentry/

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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                                    @wrx7m said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    @jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                    Fortinet announced the acquisition of Bradford Networks

                                    What did Bradford make?

                                    https://www.bradfordnetworks.com/products/network-sentry/

                                    They had me at "patented" as their one point of differentiation, lol.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                      @wrx7m said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                      @jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:

                                      Fortinet announced the acquisition of Bradford Networks

                                      What did Bradford make?

                                      https://www.bradfordnetworks.com/products/network-sentry/

                                      They had me at "patented" as their one point of differentiation, lol.

                                      Yeah, not a fan of fortinet and never heard of Bradford. nothing makes anything look better to me.

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                                      • coliverC
                                        coliver
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                                        https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/06/three-months-later-a-mass-exploit-of-powerful-web-servers-continues/#p3

                                        Yep... sounds about right... at this point they have determined that being hacked in this fashion is acceptable for the organization.

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                                        • black3dynamiteB
                                          black3dynamite
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                                          • black3dynamiteB
                                            black3dynamite
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                                            https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/nat-friedman-ama-microsoft-github-deal

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