Manage KVM through Cockpit
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
No, that part is exactly the right way to go. But those are the reasons I won't use KVM in production yet at most of my clients.
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
No, that part is exactly the right way to go. But those are the reasons I won't use KVM in production yet at most of my clients.
What do you use for virtualization for a Windows Server?
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@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
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@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
That lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
I really want to say something about this but I'll keep my mouth shut.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
That lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
I really want to say something about this but I'll keep my mouth shut.
Why would you do that?
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
Any open source and free KVM backup software that uses this? Or is it something you have to dick around with for weeks to get anywhere with it?
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@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
Any open source and free KVM backup software that uses this? Or is it something you have to dick around with for weeks to get anywhere with it?
I haven't looked. But not existing and not leveraged are two completely different things.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
Any open source and free KVM backup software that uses this? Or is it something you have to dick around with for weeks to get anywhere with it?
I haven't looked. But not existing and not leveraged are two completely different things.
Ah, gotcha.
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
No, that part is exactly the right way to go. But those are the reasons I won't use KVM in production yet at most of my clients.
What do you use for virtualization for a Windows Server?
Hyper-V and VMWare at clients.
KVM in my lab.
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@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
Yeah for sure. Paying for backup software with Hyper-V anyways... no issues paying for a good KVM backup solution as well.
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
There was a thread on the other site about Unitrends having agentless on it sometime this year. Ill have to see if I can find it.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
There was a thread on the other site about Unitrends having agentless on it sometime this year. Ill have to see if I can find it.
But I cannot even install Unitrends on Hyper-V server.............
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
There was a thread on the other site about Unitrends having agentless on it sometime this year. Ill have to see if I can find it.
But I cannot even install Unitrends on Hyper-V server.............
Are we allowed to post links from there?
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
I have not tested any of these, this is just info gathered from looking at websites.
Some of these apply to Nutanix & oVirt, so not 100% KVM:https://storware.eu/en/storware-vprotect/
https://github.com/zipurman/oVIRT_Simple_Backup
https://www.hycu.com/data-protection/hycu-for-nutanix/
https://www.veeam.com/nutanix-backup-solution.html
https://www.sepusa.com/ (use the other link, this one's terrible)
http://www.sepsoftware.com/us/products/discover-sep-sesam/
Virtual Environments - Back Up Virtual Environments
Agentless solution includes image-level backups, single-file restore
options, CBT and instant restore. Unparalleled coverage of virtual
platforms: VMware, Microsoft Hyper-V, Red Hat Virtualization (RHV),
Citrix XenServer, KVM/QEMU, OpenNebula and z/VM. -
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
There was a thread on the other site about Unitrends having agentless on it sometime this year. Ill have to see if I can find it.
Seems very unlikely.
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@fateknollogee said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
I have not tested any of these, this is just info gathered from looking at websites.
Some of these apply to Nutanix & oVirt, so not 100% KVM:https://storware.eu/en/storware-vprotect/
https://github.com/zipurman/oVIRT_Simple_Backup
https://www.hycu.com/data-protection/hycu-for-nutanix/
https://www.veeam.com/nutanix-backup-solution.html
https://www.sepusa.com/ Virtual Environments - Back Up Virtual Environments
Agentless solution includes image-level backups, single-file restore
options, CBT and instant restore. Unparalleled coverage of virtual
platforms: VMware, Microsoft Hyper-V, Red Hat Virtualization (RHV),
Citrix XenServer, KVM/QEMU, OpenNebula and z/VM.SEP lists the features that we want, but their website is the worst software site I've ever seen. What a mess.
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Change Block Tracking is native to QEMU. In theory, you can just script a backup using it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
SEP lists the features that we want, but their website is the worst software site I've ever seen. What a mess.
Almost like they have no real interest in selling their offerings!
