Manage KVM through Cockpit
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
I think I have it figured out but don't know how to actually implement it. I'm running Fedora Server 28 Headless - so I have the ISO file for the drivers in /usr/share/virtio-win
I think I just need to mount the ISO for the VM but not sure how to do that.
Easiest for a first timer is virt-manager. Just click the IDE CDROM device and then click connect. You can pick your ISO from the browser.
Can you use virt-manager on a headless install?
You use virt-manager locally.
I get this error in terminal in cockpit as well as locally.
(virt-manager:5847): Gtk-WARNING **: 18:44:07.397: cannot open display:
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
a headless install?
Also, I fucking hate this phrase.
WTF is that supposed to mean? FFS, an install is an install. Ever single modern Linux distro runs just find without a KVM attached.
I installed Fedora Server 28 Minimal. and then disconnected the KVM and never hooked it back up. That makes it headless. But I did not choose some stupid "headless" version of the install.
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
I think I have it figured out but don't know how to actually implement it. I'm running Fedora Server 28 Headless - so I have the ISO file for the drivers in /usr/share/virtio-win
I think I just need to mount the ISO for the VM but not sure how to do that.
Easiest for a first timer is virt-manager. Just click the IDE CDROM device and then click connect. You can pick your ISO from the browser.
Can you use virt-manager on a headless install?
Yeah. You can either X11 forward from the remote system or use a local install and SSH/HTTP/HTTPS for the QEMU connection.
Sadly virt-manager is the easiest for some things like attaching ISOs. The domain has to be running to attach an ISO however you can't hotplug an IDE device. So you're left with editing the XML for the domain. It's not hard just
virsh edit vmnamebut still annoying. -
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
I think I have it figured out but don't know how to actually implement it. I'm running Fedora Server 28 Headless - so I have the ISO file for the drivers in /usr/share/virtio-win
I think I just need to mount the ISO for the VM but not sure how to do that.
Easiest for a first timer is virt-manager. Just click the IDE CDROM device and then click connect. You can pick your ISO from the browser.
Can you use virt-manager on a headless install?
Yeah. You can either X11 forward from the remote system or use a local install and SSH/HTTP/HTTPS for the QEMU connection.
Sadly virt-manager is the easiest for some things like attaching ISOs. The domain has to be running to attach an ISO however you can't hotplug an IDE device. So you're left with editing the XML for the domain. It's not hard just
virsh edit vmnamebut still annoying.Like this example:
<disk type='file' device='cdrom'>
<driver name='file'/>
<source file='/usr/share/xenpv-win-32bit/xenpv-win-32bit.iso'/>
<target dev='hdb'/>
<readonly/>
</disk> -
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would be more that needs to be managed.
That lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
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@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
I think I have it figured out but don't know how to actually implement it. I'm running Fedora Server 28 Headless - so I have the ISO file for the drivers in /usr/share/virtio-win
I think I just need to mount the ISO for the VM but not sure how to do that.
Easiest for a first timer is virt-manager. Just click the IDE CDROM device and then click connect. You can pick your ISO from the browser.
Can you use virt-manager on a headless install?
Yeah. You can either X11 forward from the remote system or use a local install and SSH/HTTP/HTTPS for the QEMU connection.
Sadly virt-manager is the easiest for some things like attaching ISOs. The domain has to be running to attach an ISO however you can't hotplug an IDE device. So you're left with editing the XML for the domain. It's not hard just
virsh edit vmnamebut still annoying.Like this example:
<disk type='file' device='cdrom'>
<driver name='file'/>
<source file='/usr/share/xenpv-win-32bit/xenpv-win-32bit.iso'/>
<target dev='hdb'/>
<readonly/>
</disk>So that worked, I have the CD mounted and can browse to the drivers, however none of them work. I have tried to change the Virtual disk from SCSI to Sata, SCSI and VirtIO but can't seem to get any drivers to allow me to actually install the OS.
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
No, that part is exactly the right way to go. But those are the reasons I won't use KVM in production yet at most of my clients.
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
No, that part is exactly the right way to go. But those are the reasons I won't use KVM in production yet at most of my clients.
What do you use for virtualization for a Windows Server?
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@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
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@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
That lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
I really want to say something about this but I'll keep my mouth shut.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
That lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
I really want to say something about this but I'll keep my mouth shut.
Why would you do that?
Aren't we all here to learn? -
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
Any open source and free KVM backup software that uses this? Or is it something you have to dick around with for weeks to get anywhere with it?
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@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
Any open source and free KVM backup software that uses this? Or is it something you have to dick around with for weeks to get anywhere with it?
I haven't looked. But not existing and not leveraged are two completely different things.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
Yes there is. It's all done through QMP.
Any open source and free KVM backup software that uses this? Or is it something you have to dick around with for weeks to get anywhere with it?
I haven't looked. But not existing and not leveraged are two completely different things.
Ah, gotcha.
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@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@ccwtech said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@scottalanmiller "there is no backup API or CBT on KVM" these are big items to not have out of the gate.
So being forced to used a 3rd party appliance (even if it were Veeam or UrBackup) would me more that needs to be managed.
That's lack of feature alone makes me question if KVM is production ready and would remove it from my shortlist for 2018.
@scottalanmiller is the person who suggested I should use KVM... But if you have an agent based backup it doesn't really matter.
Agent based totally matters for people like you that have no idea what they are doing.
It matters even for people like Scott because of the many reasons that @StorageNinja listed in the last 24 hours. Scott just refuses to listen to reason when it comes to his current favorite shiny thing.
I'll let Scott respond to that.
Yes, I don't have any idea of what I am doing. That's why this is a LAB environment, so that I can learn. Even if I don't go with it for production, the worst that can happen is I learn more about linux.
No, that part is exactly the right way to go. But those are the reasons I won't use KVM in production yet at most of my clients.
What do you use for virtualization for a Windows Server?
Hyper-V and VMWare at clients.
KVM in my lab.
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@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
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@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Any open source and free KVM backup software
FOSS is not a requirement to me.
If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.
Yeah for sure. Paying for backup software with Hyper-V anyways... no issues paying for a good KVM backup solution as well.
