Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?
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@StrongBad I don't know how accurate internet is, but a really fast search says that Chrome uses "Blink" for iOS, that is a fork of Apple's WebKit made in 2013.
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@JaredBusch said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Dashrender said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@StrongBad said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Giggiux said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
I don't think Google Chrome is a wrapper on top of Safari on iOS.
It is, all alternative iOS browsers are.
So, why some sites works on firefox-chrome and not on safari in iOS? I read about this thing somewhere else, but it's still unclear to me…
Probably because the header "claims" to be something other than Safari, so the website doesn't block you.
It is not "Safari" underneath. It is Webkit. Safari also uses Webkit.
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/webkitRight - thanks for the break down
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Does anyone know if the iPad has gone through an exaustive and reviewed security auditing?
The more I search, the more looks like it has to be much more secure and stable than any Win/Linux/Mac/Android out here.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Does anyone know if the iPad has gone through an exaustive and reviewed security auditing?
The more I search, the more looks like it has to be much more secure and stable than any Win/Linux/Mac/Android out here.
It definitely has. I agree it's probably the most secure endpoint device.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Does anyone know if the iPad has gone through an exaustive and reviewed security auditing?
The more I search, the more looks like it has to be much more secure and stable than any Win/Linux/Mac/Android out here.
Well of course it's more secure. It's younger and very single vendor. The other systems you mentioned are old as dirt and most of them are made to be VERY flexible. There are a ton of things you can't do on an iPad, but perhaps your situation doesn't need those things, and you'll be happy with an iPad.
The same can be said for Chromebooks.
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@Francesco-Provino Yes, the closed, xenophobic iOS environment is secure... and severely limited compared to every other device available. But if that works for you....
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I realize that CVE summaries don't really show the seriousness of each CVE relative to the others, but Win10 had 172 CVEs last year and iOS had 161. This year Windows is only at 72 and iOS already has 243. I think it is a stretch to say that it is the most secure endpoint. I'm not denying that it is generally secure, but that is a broad claim that does not appear to be supported by the data.
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@Dashrender said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Does anyone know if the iPad has gone through an exaustive and reviewed security auditing?
The more I search, the more looks like it has to be much more secure and stable than any Win/Linux/Mac/Android out here.
Well of course it's more secure. It's younger and very single vendor. The other systems you mentioned are old as dirt and most of them are made to be VERY flexible. There are a ton of things you can't do on an iPad, but perhaps your situation doesn't need those things, and you'll be happy with an iPad.
The same can be said for Chromebooks.
I think exactly the same thing.
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@RojoLoco said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino Yes, the closed, xenophobic iOS environment is secure... and severely limited compared to every other device available. But if that works for you....
iOS has almost everything I need in a mobile device. Of course I have also a lot of server and beefed desktop with Linux for heavy stuff, but I don't think the iPad can be beaten as a everyday carry device…
I absolutely hate windows, I dislike to manage it as a server and I don't want to have trouble with it as an endpoint also (much worse IMHO).
Linux is great, but not that much on mobile.
Mac OS X… is what I'm using now, but there are several things I don't like and I feel it's very tied to the past. It performs well on apple hardware of course, but the latest iteration of macbooks has leaved me disappointed.
Android is similar in many ways to iOS, but iOS polish and integration with the hardware is completely on another planet.
I'm a big fan of Linux, but Android is almost as closed as iOS… if it wasn't true, I would write this post from an Android tablet running KDE and using reKonq as a browser. -
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@RojoLoco said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino Yes, the closed, xenophobic iOS environment is secure... and severely limited compared to every other device available. But if that works for you....
iOS has almost everything I need in a mobile device. Of course I have also a lot of server and beefed desktop with Linux for heavy stuff, but I don't think the iPad can be beaten as a everyday carry device…
I absolutely hate windows, I dislike to manage it as a server and I don't want to have trouble with it as an endpoint also (much worse IMHO).
Linux is great, but not that much on mobile.
Mac OS X… is what I'm using now, but there are several things I don't like and I feel it's very tied to the past. It performs well on apple hardware of course, but the latest iteration of macbooks has leaved me disappointed.
Android is similar in many ways to iOS, but iOS polish and integration with the hardware is completely on another planet.
I'm a big fan of Linux, but Android is almost as closed as iOS… if it wasn't true, I would write this post from an Android tablet running KDE and using reKonq as a browser.So why don't you just buy yourself an x86/x64 tablet, install nix on it and be happy?
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@Dashrender said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
So why don't you just buy yourself an x86/x64 tablet, install nix on it and be happy?
Why specify the x86 or x64 architectures? Surely x86 would be unthinkably bad. And for a tablet, most of the good options are ARM.
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We want to try some Asus tablets.
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@Dashrender said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@RojoLoco said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino Yes, the closed, xenophobic iOS environment is secure... and severely limited compared to every other device available. But if that works for you....
iOS has almost everything I need in a mobile device. Of course I have also a lot of server and beefed desktop with Linux for heavy stuff, but I don't think the iPad can be beaten as a everyday carry device…
I absolutely hate windows, I dislike to manage it as a server and I don't want to have trouble with it as an endpoint also (much worse IMHO).
Linux is great, but not that much on mobile.
Mac OS X… is what I'm using now, but there are several things I don't like and I feel it's very tied to the past. It performs well on apple hardware of course, but the latest iteration of macbooks has leaved me disappointed.
Android is similar in many ways to iOS, but iOS polish and integration with the hardware is completely on another planet.
I'm a big fan of Linux, but Android is almost as closed as iOS… if it wasn't true, I would write this post from an Android tablet running KDE and using reKonq as a browser.So why don't you just buy yourself an x86/x64 tablet, install nix on it and be happy?
Because if Linux desktop (I mean, on desktop pc) experience is less than stellar but acceptable, Linux on mobile is usually not. Problem with pointing devices, strange suspend/resume issues, awful battery life, lack of polished integration with the hardware in general… I've beeb there. With the best of the best, Dell XPS 15.
Of course is getting better for Linux on laptops, but the other OSs experience is still leading.
I know that with a hundred of tweaks, using i3 wm with exactly THAT version of the kernel I can (maybe) get a comparable user experience, I've done it for years, but… why bother?I use my mobile endpoint mainly as a client to connect to servers and surfing the web, I don't want to wast time and energy reconfiguring this or that nvidia-kmod or the latest pulseaudio weird stuff. Oh, and of course I would have to repeat this snowflake configuration on every new machine.
Why don't go instead with a stateless endpoint that has a completely reproducible configuration in 2-3 taps?
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@scottalanmiller said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Dashrender said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
So why don't you just buy yourself an x86/x64 tablet, install nix on it and be happy?
Why specify the x86 or x64 architectures? Surely x86 would be unthinkably bad. And for a tablet, most of the good options are ARM.
I agree with you. Arm feature less TDP, less power drain, so more battery life… and quite good performance with the latest cpu. Is all against x86 in the mobile sector.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Because if Linux desktop (I mean, on desktop pc) experience is less than stellar but acceptable....
Maybe in absolutely terms, but compared to Mac or Windows, it's amazing.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Why don't go instead with a stateless endpoint that has a completely reproducible configuration in 2-3 taps?
In that scenario, as a stateless endpoint, is iOS buying you that much over ChromeOS?
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@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@scottalanmiller said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Dashrender said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
So why don't you just buy yourself an x86/x64 tablet, install nix on it and be happy?
Why specify the x86 or x64 architectures? Surely x86 would be unthinkably bad. And for a tablet, most of the good options are ARM.
I agree with you. Arm feature less TDP, less power drain, so more battery life… and quite good performance with the latest cpu. Is all against x86 in the mobile sector.
I have an ARM laptop and it works great. We are talking about moving to ARM Linux tablets for the kids to replace their aging iOS tablets. So much cheaper, more performance.
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@scottalanmiller said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Why don't go instead with a stateless endpoint that has a completely reproducible configuration in 2-3 taps?
In that scenario, as a stateless endpoint, is iOS buying you that much over ChromeOS?
I think android is less secure because it's a patchwork; also less stable, less integrated with the hardware and based on older design and technologies.
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@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@scottalanmiller said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Why don't go instead with a stateless endpoint that has a completely reproducible configuration in 2-3 taps?
In that scenario, as a stateless endpoint, is iOS buying you that much over ChromeOS?
I think android is less secure because it's a patchwork; also less stable, less integrated with the hardware and based on older design and technologies.
Other than that, I prefer apple hardware.I haven't looked into it - what make Android a patchwork? I'll agree it's less stable than iOS - but I blame that on the small integration times between versions, so vendors never have/take the time to make things as good as they can be.
People/trade rags are complaining that Apple is boring now, not innovative with the iPhone anymore (and no, removing the headphone jack wasn't innovative
) but then, does it really need to be? There hardware/software integration is second to none. There's probably always polish that can be added, hence some of the recent revisions, but in general it seems to be gleaming the cube. -
@Dashrender said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@scottalanmiller said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
@Francesco-Provino said in Modern iPad security: the most secure endpoint ever?:
Why don't go instead with a stateless endpoint that has a completely reproducible configuration in 2-3 taps?
In that scenario, as a stateless endpoint, is iOS buying you that much over ChromeOS?
I think android is less secure because it's a patchwork; also less stable, less integrated with the hardware and based on older design and technologies.
Other than that, I prefer apple hardware.I haven't looked into it - what make Android a patchwork? I'll agree it's less stable than iOS - but I blame that on the small integration times between versions, so vendors never have/take the time to make things as good as they can be.
People/trade rags are complaining that Apple is boring now, not innovative with the iPhone anymore (and no, removing the headphone jack wasn't innovative
) but then, does it really need to be? There hardware/software integration is second to none. There's probably always polish that can be added, hence some of the recent revisions, but in general it seems to be gleaming the cube.The kernel is Linux, that wasn't born at all for mobility (big effort of google for making it usable for that purpose), and every vendor has its own customized UI and other parts of the system. So every vendor-related piece is developed as a snowflake by relatively small teams and is at risk of becaming abandonware. Low code quality strict deadlines…
I tried one of the earlier firmware iteration of the S7 edge… just a horrible mess of non-integrated software put together. The cam wasn't working at all. Ok, they fix it in the end, but… light years from what I've seen on my iOS devices.
I would like to point out againthat I'm not a fanboy in any way, I went through the iPhone just because it was my business-supplied phone. It just works for what I need, it's insanely stable and polished.
Maybe the only thing that iOS really lacks at the moment is burning an ISO to a pendrive in a dd-fashion… but I could carry with me a raspberry or some similar micro-pc for that. I don't NEED to virtualize anything on my machine. For any emergency I can fire a VM in one of my server or in a public cloud and reach a machine via ZeroTier or similar stuff. The iPad can act as an internet hotspot if the connection is missing in place.
