Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller what @Dashrender was saying above about $130/desktop/yr is just software assurance then?
No, that's VDA, which is an option but basically one that no one would consider. It's an old system that predated the modern, logical VDI licensing options and exists for very special "hardware licensing" situations. It would be very surprising if it was applicable to you.
There is a problem with this, you can't license an Ipad with software assurance, so you have to have a VDA license to access a VDI from something other than a WIndows Pro/Enterprise device that has Software Assurance.
That's partially correct. You are correct that an iPad cannot be covered by Software Assurance. but it does not have to be. Because the USER is covered by software assurance. So you can use an iPad with VDI for cheap. but with VDA you have to license the equipment, making it very expensive.
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huh, learned a few things in this thread. Enterprise SA per USER licenses.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
huh, learned a few things in this thread. Enterprise SA per USER licenses.
It's relatively new in the grand scheme of things.
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So admittedly I didn't read through the whole thread just the first couple pages. I'm pretty sure we use XenDesktop for this. We have some guys who use a laptop and they get a VDI session with a dedicated graphics card. Then they run SolidEdge,SpaceClaim, or ANSYS Workbench to do their work.
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@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
So admittedly I didn't read through the whole thread just the first couple pages. I'm pretty sure we use XenDesktop for this. We have some guys who use a laptop and they get a VDI session with a dedicated graphics card. Then they run SolidEdge,SpaceClaim, or ANSYS Workbench to do their work.
You have a bit more scale. His issue is that he has so few users.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
So admittedly I didn't read through the whole thread just the first couple pages. I'm pretty sure we use XenDesktop for this. We have some guys who use a laptop and they get a VDI session with a dedicated graphics card. Then they run SolidEdge,SpaceClaim, or ANSYS Workbench to do their work.
You have a bit more scale. His issue is that he has so few users.
I guess you could do the same thing on a smaller scale. Just have dedicated VMs that people RDP into, you might not even need the graphics cards if they are just viewing CAD files.
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@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
So admittedly I didn't read through the whole thread just the first couple pages. I'm pretty sure we use XenDesktop for this. We have some guys who use a laptop and they get a VDI session with a dedicated graphics card. Then they run SolidEdge,SpaceClaim, or ANSYS Workbench to do their work.
You have a bit more scale. His issue is that he has so few users.
I guess you could do the same thing on a smaller scale. Just have dedicated VMs that people RDP into, you might not even need the graphics cards if they are just viewing CAD files.
Seems like RDS would work fine if you don't need GPU.
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So this might be a fork and I don't know since I don't deal with Windows. If I put a Windows 10 VM on my laptop, am I required to have VDI licensing for that?
Edit: I mean VDA.
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@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
So this might be a fork and I don't know since I don't deal with Windows. If I put a Windows 10 VM on my laptop, am I required to have VDI licensing for that?
Depends on how it is used. But often, yes. Your laptop is just a server at that point.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
So this might be a fork and I don't know since I don't deal with Windows. If I put a Windows 10 VM on my laptop, am I required to have VDI licensing for that?
Depends on how it is used. But often, yes. Your laptop is just a server at that point.
Ya that's ridiculous. I found this on SW, so only a type 2?
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That quote can't be legit since Hyper-V has no Type 2 option or mode. WTF is "Client Hyper-V"? Whoever wrote that didn't know what Type 2 was, so the only thing we know for sure is that it is not a reliable source. Not knowing the basics of what is stated as a requirement means we really don't learn anything from it.
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Using Windows 10 locally on a machine where it is locally installed is normally VDI free. So like if you one 100 copies of FPP Windows 10 and install them all to VMs (type 1, type 2, that never matters) on your desktop and access them locally, you never run into VDI licensing needs even though they are virtual. It's because Microsoft doesn't use actual VDI as a requirement for VDI licensing. Their licensing is totally disconnected from the term.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
That quote can't be legit since Hyper-V has no Type 2 option or mode. WTF is "Client Hyper-V"? Whoever wrote that didn't know what Type 2 was, so the only thing we know for sure is that it is not a reliable source. Not knowing the basics of what is stated as a requirement means we really don't learn anything from it.
Chris wrote that.
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@stacksofplates yeah, he's a licensing guy, but not a technical one. Which causes problems at times. Because licensing without tech is gibberish. Shows how much of a problem it is with MS licensing that even their own people don't even know what products MS offers. He really should know that Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor and that MS discontinued their Type 2 in 2005.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@stacksofplates yeah, he's a licensing guy, but not a technical one. Which causes problems at times. Because licensing without tech is gibberish. Shows how much of a problem it is with MS licensing that even their own people don't even know what products MS offers. He really should know that Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor and that MS discontinued their Type 2 in 2005.
Ya I didn't read that far into it. Just saw type 2.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Using Windows 10 locally on a machine where it is locally installed is normally VDI free. So like if you one 100 copies of FPP Windows 10 and install them all to VMs (type 1, type 2, that never matters) on your desktop and access them locally, you never run into VDI licensing needs even though they are virtual. It's because Microsoft doesn't use actual VDI as a requirement for VDI licensing. Their licensing is totally disconnected from the term.
Ya I just want to make sure if I do put a Windows VM on my laptop I don't break any licensing rules.
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@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@stacksofplates yeah, he's a licensing guy, but not a technical one. Which causes problems at times. Because licensing without tech is gibberish. Shows how much of a problem it is with MS licensing that even their own people don't even know what products MS offers. He really should know that Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor and that MS discontinued their Type 2 in 2005.
Ya I didn't read that far into it. Just saw type 2.
Client Hyper-V is a real term, but it just means Hyper-V installed via windows 8.
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh857623(v=ws.11).aspx
It's tuned differently, but it is still Hyper-V.
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@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Using Windows 10 locally on a machine where it is locally installed is normally VDI free. So like if you one 100 copies of FPP Windows 10 and install them all to VMs (type 1, type 2, that never matters) on your desktop and access them locally, you never run into VDI licensing needs even though they are virtual. It's because Microsoft doesn't use actual VDI as a requirement for VDI licensing. Their licensing is totally disconnected from the term.
Ya I just want to make sure if I do put a Windows VM on my laptop I don't break any licensing rules.
Depends on how you acquire it and how you access it. It's not as simple as "put it on my laptop."
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Using Windows 10 locally on a machine where it is locally installed is normally VDI free. So like if you one 100 copies of FPP Windows 10 and install them all to VMs (type 1, type 2, that never matters) on your desktop and access them locally, you never run into VDI licensing needs even though they are virtual. It's because Microsoft doesn't use actual VDI as a requirement for VDI licensing. Their licensing is totally disconnected from the term.
Ya I just want to make sure if I do put a Windows VM on my laptop I don't break any licensing rules.
Depends on how you acquire it and how you access it. It's not as simple as "put it on my laptop."
What's the best way? I'm guessing I can't just use an OEM license from an existing machine.
Just console through Virtual-Manager or virt-viewer.
