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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

      @StrongBad said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

      @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

      @Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

      @RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine. 🙂

      And no licensing issues.

      Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.

      I'm not sure what you're driving at? If you install a Linux VM on a Windows server, I'm pretty sure you can access that Linux VM at no additional Windows licensing costs.

      No you can't, you are on top of Windows and Windows requires a CAL for every user that accesses that. Linux is an "application" running on Windows at that point and subject to all of the normal licensing restrictions of Windows.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
        last edited by

        @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

        @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

        @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

        @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

        @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

        I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

        0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

        I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

        That would indeed be an awesome feature. I have no idea how it does that, though. If it is only WebDAV then it should work already somehow, I'd think. But I think that it needs more.

        Having this integration would allow me to move away from Windows file shares. But using NextCloud and either using the sync client (not possible for large shared volumes) or making users download/upload via a browser interface makes this a non starter for me.
        I'm not looking for a solution that just replaces open network shares, I'm hoping for one that moves us to the next level - thinking LANless and syncless here.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

          But this is a real server - so if you're running this, shouldn't it be it's own VM sitting next to the Windows box on the hypervisor of your choice?

          That would fix it, but bypasses the "on Windows" question in every way.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

            @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

            @StrongBad said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

            @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

            @Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

            @RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine. 🙂

            And no licensing issues.

            Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.

            I'm not sure what you're driving at? If you install a Linux VM on a Windows server, I'm pretty sure you can access that Linux VM at no additional Windows licensing costs.

            No you can't, you are on top of Windows and Windows requires a CAL for every user that accesses that. Linux is an "application" running on Windows at that point and subject to all of the normal licensing restrictions of Windows.

            oh - didn't realize it worked like that - well, in that case, yeah, running it on Windows is just crazy unless you're already fully licensed for that setup, then it's just another application 😉

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Frank Karlitschek
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              @Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

              @dafyre Sure. The Spreed is improving fast. Will be a lot better in the next release. We also want to promote the email and chat integration more. And we plan to integrate all this communication channels more into each other in the future.

              I'm using the email (in testing, not as our main client) in conjunction with Zimbra as the email server and so far it has been really good. The interface is really nice. Have not touched the cat function, we use Rocket.Chat for that and would be hard pressed to justify leaving.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                @StrongBad said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                @Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                @Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                @RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine. 🙂

                And no licensing issues.

                Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.

                I'm not sure what you're driving at? If you install a Linux VM on a Windows server, I'm pretty sure you can access that Linux VM at no additional Windows licensing costs.

                No you can't, you are on top of Windows and Windows requires a CAL for every user that accesses that. Linux is an "application" running on Windows at that point and subject to all of the normal licensing restrictions of Windows.

                oh - didn't realize it worked like that - well, in that case, yeah, running it on Windows is just crazy unless you're already fully licensed for that setup, then it's just another application 😉

                Yeah, any application on top of Windows incurs CAL requirements. DNS, DHCP, AD, third party apps, Spiceworks, doesn't matter. It's the same licensing stuff that makes tools like SW unable to be licensed on desktop OSes because of the network connections qualifying it as a server.

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by dafyre

                  @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                  @Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                  @dafyre Sure. The Spreed is improving fast. Will be a lot better in the next release. We also want to promote the email and chat integration more. And we plan to integrate all this communication channels more into each other in the future.

                  I'm using the email (in testing, not as our main client) in conjunction with Zimbra as the email server and so far it has been really good. The interface is really nice. Have not touched the cat function, we use Rocket.Chat for that and would be hard pressed to justify leaving.

                  Perhaps an integration with RocketChat is warranted as well!

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch
                    last edited by

                    @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                    @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                    @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                    @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                    I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                    0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                    I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                    As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
                    0_1487777917417_upload-a067559c-1ca8-425e-959b-f2f3b887d2b3

                    Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328

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                    • StrongBadS
                      StrongBad @IRJ
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                      @IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                      @Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                      @IRJ Yes. There are always big and cool new features coming. 🙂 Actually the Nextcloud community is more active then ever. But it's not clear yet which features make it into the next major version. So we have to wait until the first beta is done. 🙂

                      No teasers? 😉

                      Yeah, we want to know juicy details !

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                      • dafyreD
                        dafyre @jospoortvliet
                        last edited by

                        @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                        @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                        @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                        @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                        I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                        0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                        I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                        Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @dafyre
                          last edited by

                          @dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                          @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                          @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                          @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                          @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                          I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                          0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                          I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                          Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)

                          That requires a local sync.

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                          • dafyreD
                            dafyre @JaredBusch
                            last edited by

                            @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                            @dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                            @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                            @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                            @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                            @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                            I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                            0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                            I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                            Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)

                            That requires a local sync.

                            Potentially. If they do what MS does and point straight to the Web URL... maybe not... Just food for thought.

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                            • jospoortvlietJ
                              jospoortvliet Vendor @JaredBusch
                              last edited by

                              @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                              @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                              @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                              @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                              @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                              I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                              0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                              I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                              As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
                              0_1487777917417_upload-a067559c-1ca8-425e-959b-f2f3b887d2b3

                              Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328

                              so can't you just enter webdav://mycloud.com/webdav/files/shareddocs/awesome/ there? (just making up a webdav URL here)...

                              That is what I do in my linux applications 😉

                              An alternative is to mount the webdav as a drive and just open files in the file open dialog, click on the virtual drive and open & save from there.

                              I am sorry, I have no windows experience 😉

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @jospoortvliet
                                last edited by

                                @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                                I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                                0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                                I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                                As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
                                0_1487777917417_upload-a067559c-1ca8-425e-959b-f2f3b887d2b3

                                Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328

                                so can't you just enter webdav://mycloud.com/webdav/files/shareddocs/awesome/ there? (just making up a webdav URL here)...

                                That is what I do in my linux applications 😉

                                An alternative is to mount the webdav as a drive and just open files in the file open dialog, click on the virtual drive and open & save from there.

                                I am sorry, I have no windows experience 😉

                                Can I? Of course I can. But I also can think for myself and any number of other things that users cannot do.

                                Users cannot be trained to do that.

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @dafyre
                                  last edited by

                                  @dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                  @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                  @dafyre said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                  @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                  @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                  @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                  @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                                  I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                                  0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                                  I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                                  Microsoft has some information here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35474) about how to get that to happen. (Granted, it is for Office 2013)

                                  That requires a local sync.

                                  Potentially. If they do what MS does and point straight to the Web URL... maybe not... Just food for thought.

                                  No, it is right in the document. I have looked at this before.

                                  0_1487778341463_upload-99a4a79c-a947-459c-ad27-f121895cecfd

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                                  • dafyreD
                                    dafyre @jospoortvliet
                                    last edited by

                                    @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                    @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                    @jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                    @JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already 😉

                                    I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.

                                    0_1487776868805_upload-9f3fefe5-3a3f-46dc-9d34-ed9cbd9741a9

                                    I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.

                                    As you can see in the screenshot, when I clicked on the "One Drive - Personal" on the top right it opened a standard windows File dialog box but the address bar shows
                                    0_1487777917417_upload-a067559c-1ca8-425e-959b-f2f3b887d2b3

                                    Clicking on it reveals the full URL in standard form: https://d.docs.live.net/c44d01487196d328

                                    so can't you just enter webdav://mycloud.com/webdav/files/shareddocs/awesome/ there? (just making up a webdav URL here)...

                                    That is what I do in my linux applications 😉

                                    An alternative is to mount the webdav as a drive and just open files in the file open dialog, click on the virtual drive and open & save from there.

                                    I am sorry, I have no windows experience 😉

                                    We're trying to avoid actually mounting anything... As @JaredBusch said, the users likely will break it first.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Frank Karlitschek
                                      last edited by

                                      @Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                      @FATeknollogee On Nextcloud.com you can download fully configured VMs. Should be easy to run. 🙂

                                      We have some pretty easy install instructions around ML, too. And I'm working on same DevOps installation methods right now. Hoping to have a Salt installer for the single node installation soon. Perfect for installing on Scale or Vultr, for example.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender
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                                        Normal users can't be asked to type something in. Heck it's hard enough sometimes getting them to browse through and find the s: drive.

                                        To make this really user-centric, it needs to have a button inside the save dialog that allows them to browse to where they want to open/save a file, like JB's example.

                                        My whole thinking is a way to move from the current workflows of today and network shares to a future workflow of accessing things directly through the apps.

                                        This is how most mobile apps work.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          If WebDAV works, just in theory, what would be nice is an integration so that we can push it out to MS Office somehow.

                                          Or likewise, to LibreOffice 😉

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:

                                            If WebDAV works, just in theory, what would be nice is an integration so that we can push it out to MS Office somehow.

                                            Or likewise, to LibreOffice 😉

                                            I was assuming anything would be easy with LibreOffice.

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