Nextcloud AMA!!
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Can you expand upon what you mean by this?
Sure. You might remember the epic 'dick pics' episode from John Oliver & Edward Snowden:
This was quite awesome but at the same time - there really is an issue here. And most people have no idea. A lot of people clearly are storing their data at Google, Dropbox etcetera. Now that would be fine as long as that is data that can't be abused but that is often not the case. The terms of service of these companies doesn't protect you or your data and they are massive targets for hackers. Yes, they have good security people but nothing is ever perfectly secure and it is sooooo attractive to hack them...
And businesses are not too different - lots of them, even schools and universities and hospitals, store data on public clouds or at providers outside their country. And that can be abused in a whole bunch of ways, from government spying to corporate espionage to extortion of companies and individuals.
THAT scares me. Just look at the DNC scandal influencing politics in the USA. If you put your data at a public cloud, you're painting a massive target on it. If you have your own IT team taking care of it, as political organization, you can (emphasis on CAN, of course) do a much better job keeping it safe. And that can steer elections, politics, economics, everything.
That was the main motivation for Frank, back in the day, to announce a project to solve this and we at Nextcloud share this goal.
Sure, but as our own @scottalanmiller likes to point out, those guys often have many times the security personal and need to keep things secure compared to other businesses, especially SMB (which is the bulk of this community). I'd argue that SMBs can't keep themselves more secure than Google can. Also as Scott has pointed out, even if there is a breach at Google, what are the chances they will get your data versus someone else's considering the shear volume of data they house?
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Do you have a link to setup instructions on that?
this should be helpful: https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/11.0/user_manual/files/access_webdav.html
feedback and patches to our documentation are always welcome, it is super easy to contribute: it is all in github! See https://github.com/nextcloud/documentation
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Are noticeably slower speeds typical for external storage browsing on NextCloud?
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender Not sure what you mean? A way to safe into Nextcloud directly from the Office Safe Dialog? This is of course possible. Just safe in a specific folder that is then synced to the server with the Desktop Client. Is this what you mean?
While what you explained is possible, that sync client puts all the files at risk of a cryptoware attack.
What I am specifically looking for/asking about is an API that plugs-in to MS Office to save directly to the server without the sync client, like MS Office has for Sharepoint. Access through an API like this significantly reduces the ability of cryptoware to affect the files through this avenue.
Tossing crypto into this discussion is a waste of thinking power. any and all sync clients have this particular issue. period. it is not a function of NextCloud or any other service to mitigate.
A better question to ask would be, "If there a way to create a plugin for MS Office to let users save directly to NextCloud similar to how they can save directly to OneDrive without using the sync client at all?"
That was my original question - I just didn't specifically say - without the use of OneDrive Sync.
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine.
And no licensing issues.
Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.
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@IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Are noticeably slower speeds typical for external storage browsing on NextCloud?
That should normally not be the case, at least not for common external storages such as SMB. Can you elaborate a bit what kind of external storage you're using? Also we have support for SMB update notifications as described at https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/11/admin_manual/configuration_files/external_storage/smb.html
Configuring that may make a huge impact. Also make sure you're on the latest release.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Sure, but as our own @scottalanmiller likes to point out, those guys often have many times the security personal and need to keep things secure compared to other businesses, especially SMB (which is the bulk of this community). I'd argue that SMBs can't keep themselves more secure than Google can. Also as Scott has pointed out, even if there is a breach at Google, what are the chances they will get your data versus someone else's considering the shear volume of data they house?
I agree Google et all have better security engineering, as I said - but they also present a bigger target and once you're in, the amounts of data siphoned off are often substantial.
I'm not saying every small or medium business has to run their own Nextcloud instance - it does make sense for smaller companies to use a local, trusted provider with good security practices which follows the rules of their jurisdiction and all that. That would already be a huge improvement as it is hard to hack all of those at once, with their varying defenses and differences in infrastructure.
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@LukasReschke said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Are noticeably slower speeds typical for external storage browsing on NextCloud?
That should normally not be the case, at least not for common external storages such as SMB. Can you elaborate a bit what kind of external storage you're using? Also we have support for SMB update notifications as described at https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/11/admin_manual/configuration_files/external_storage/smb.html
Configuring that may make a huge impact. Also make sure you're on the latest release.
I am specifically talking about Google Drive in this case.
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
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@RojoLoco said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Any plans to make a version for windows server?
Does the existing version run on Windows? It's PHP and standard components.
Sorry if this is answered, Internet has been down for half an hour and I've been in the process of replying all this time.
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@IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@LukasReschke said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Are noticeably slower speeds typical for external storage browsing on NextCloud?
That should normally not be the case, at least not for common external storages such as SMB. Can you elaborate a bit what kind of external storage you're using? Also we have support for SMB update notifications as described at https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/11/admin_manual/configuration_files/external_storage/smb.html
Configuring that may make a huge impact. Also make sure you're on the latest release.
I am specifically talking about Google Drive in this case.
that might have to do with your server having to go out to Google, getting its data and going back to you etcetera. This simply introduces more network delay. I believe we introduced some improvements for that recently, not sure if that was already in 11.
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@StrongBad said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@Frank-Karlitschek said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco As a server OS? We tried to do this in the past but PHP on Windows is just not very good. So the recommended way is to run a Linux VM on the Windows Server. This works fine.
And no licensing issues.
Linux on Windows is still on Windows. It still requires full Windows licensing.
I'm not sure what you're driving at? If you install a Linux VM on a Windows server, I'm pretty sure you can access that Linux VM at no additional Windows licensing costs.
But this is a real server - so if you're running this, shouldn't it be it's own VM sitting next to the Windows box on the hypervisor of your choice?
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@LukasReschke said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@IRJ said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Are noticeably slower speeds typical for external storage browsing on NextCloud?
That should normally not be the case, at least not for common external storages such as SMB. Can you elaborate a bit what kind of external storage you're using? Also we have support for SMB update notifications as described at https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/11/admin_manual/configuration_files/external_storage/smb.html
Configuring that may make a huge impact. Also make sure you're on the latest release.
I am specifically talking about Google Drive in this case.
that might have to do with your server having to go out to Google, getting its data and going back to you etcetera. This simply introduces more network delay. I believe we introduced some improvements for that recently, not sure if that was already in 11.
Right. I don't expect it to load as quickly, but some files and folders are taking a good 5 seconds to show up.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Any plans to make a version for windows server?
Does the existing version run on Windows? It's PHP and standard components.
Sorry if this is answered, Internet has been down for half an hour and I've been in the process of replying all this time.
Windows Server is no longer supported because PHP on Windows is not very good. But you can run a Linux VM on a Windows server
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@RojoLoco said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
Any plans to make a version for windows server?
Does the existing version run on Windows? It's PHP and standard components.
Sorry if this is answered, Internet has been down for half an hour and I've been in the process of replying all this time.
Nextcloud doesn't run on Windows as much of what we do has to do with the filesystem and Windows has been a pita in that area. It used to require us to maintain an entirely separate filesystem abstraction just to have it not break all the time. If Windows ups its standard there, offering a full transparent, posix-compatible FS then I guess it will be easy... But we don't want to go the route of having all kinds of special cases anymore as that just results in exploding test cases and breakage.
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I don't talk about Microsoft's WebDAV client to anyone I like. It was so slow when I tried to use it.
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@travisdh1 said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I don't talk about Microsoft's WebDAV client to anyone I like. It was so slow when I tried to use it.
we're laughing now
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@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I assume that Office is using WebDAV for this. So write something that can make NextCloud show up in the dialog like this.
I honestly don't know what it takes to show up there - perhaps you can already do it, maybe it needs some work. Would be cool to see, agreed.
That would indeed be an awesome feature. I have no idea how it does that, though. If it is only WebDAV then it should work already somehow, I'd think. But I think that it needs more.
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@travisdh1 said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@jospoortvliet said in Nextcloud AMA!!:
@JaredBusch does MS Office not support WebDAV? If it does, this API exists already
I don't talk about Microsoft's WebDAV client to anyone I like. It was so slow when I tried to use it.
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