Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues
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@Texkonc Cheaper than an outage for sure. With 2 million log files (2.2TB of logs/1024kB each) if this exchange server has something go wrong it will be very hard to to get it all working again.
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I read that the Veeam backup is around 10x faster than a windows server backup. Normally this would sound like a marketing ploy but everyone here on ML seems to swear by Veeam. Can anyone confirm? The windows backup took 3 days to complete, thats why I ask.
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I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
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@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
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@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
Bog it down for 3 days or trying to recover it with the massive log file db?
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@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
Bog it down for 3 days or trying to recover it with the massive log file db?
That is word for word what I said to my boss. I don't have deciding power though
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@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
Bog it down for 3 days or trying to recover it with the massive log file db?
That is word for word what I said to my boss. I don't have deciding power though
What if that massive log file gets corrupt when you go down? Then you are burned even more.
Have you measured the strain it puts on it? IF you use an enterprise backup product, will he even notice? You brought up the concerns, but you feel it is the best move. You know the environment, you know what it can handle. Your ass is on the line, even though you told mgt. -
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
Bog it down for 3 days or trying to recover it with the massive log file db?
That is word for word what I said to my boss. I don't have deciding power though
What if that massive log file gets corrupt when you go down? Then you are burned even more.
Have you measured the strain it puts on it? IF you use an enterprise backup product, will he even notice? You brought up the concerns, but you feel it is the best move. You know the environment, you know what it can handle. Your ass is on the line, even though you told mgt.It's not my job on the line. My boss just asked me to take a look at it for a second pair of eyes and that was my conclusion. I'm not the server administrator but I've solved a few server issues so far. I'm of the opinion that getting aggressive with my employer is just burning bridges. I let them learn it themselves and cover my ass with e-mails and paperwork.
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@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
Bog it down for 3 days or trying to recover it with the massive log file db?
That is word for word what I said to my boss. I don't have deciding power though
What if that massive log file gets corrupt when you go down? Then you are burned even more.
Have you measured the strain it puts on it? IF you use an enterprise backup product, will he even notice? You brought up the concerns, but you feel it is the best move. You know the environment, you know what it can handle. Your ass is on the line, even though you told mgt.It's not my job on the line. My boss just asked me to take a look at it for a second pair of eyes and that was my conclusion. I'm not the server administrator but I've solved a few server issues so far. I'm of the opinion that getting aggressive with my employer is just burning bridges. I let them learn it themselves and cover my ass with e-mails and paperwork.
Oh, well in that case...
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@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
Bog it down for 3 days or trying to recover it with the massive log file db?
That is word for word what I said to my boss. I don't have deciding power though
What if that massive log file gets corrupt when you go down? Then you are burned even more.
Have you measured the strain it puts on it? IF you use an enterprise backup product, will he even notice? You brought up the concerns, but you feel it is the best move. You know the environment, you know what it can handle. Your ass is on the line, even though you told mgt.It's not my job on the line. My boss just asked me to take a look at it for a second pair of eyes and that was my conclusion. I'm not the server administrator but I've solved a few server issues so far. I'm of the opinion that getting aggressive with my employer is just burning bridges. I let them learn it themselves and cover my ass with e-mails and paperwork.
Oh, well in that case...
Pointing someone in the right direction and being responsible are two very different things
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@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I dont know about speed, but i do know from my previous xp with Veeam that it is a great product. I was never not able to do restores of exchange (vm/brick level) at my last job. It was really quick to restore individual mailbox items and deleted-on-accident contacts without issue. It also provides central backup and restore services for you entire virtual infrastucture, something WSB and Cobian cant.
Yeah I know it's good, but my issue is I can't bog down the server for 3 days again until the weekend. I'd like to resolve this sooner, but I'm kind of stuck.
Bog it down for 3 days or trying to recover it with the massive log file db?
That is word for word what I said to my boss. I don't have deciding power though
What if that massive log file gets corrupt when you go down? Then you are burned even more.
Have you measured the strain it puts on it? IF you use an enterprise backup product, will he even notice? You brought up the concerns, but you feel it is the best move. You know the environment, you know what it can handle. Your ass is on the line, even though you told mgt.It's not my job on the line. My boss just asked me to take a look at it for a second pair of eyes and that was my conclusion. I'm not the server administrator but I've solved a few server issues so far. I'm of the opinion that getting aggressive with my employer is just burning bridges. I let them learn it themselves and cover my ass with e-mails and paperwork.
Oh, well in that case...
Pointing someone in the right direction and being responsible are two very different things
The fact that they need those pointers just makes me shutter!
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@JaredBusch said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Dashrender said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
shutter!
Camera or Window?
Smartass or ass?
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@Texkonc said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@Dashrender said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
shutter!
Camera or Window?
Smartass or ass?
Yes?
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@wirestyle22
Just curious, how long does it take your Exchange to start serving mail when you restart it for updates/changes/etc? -
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22
Just curious, how long does it take your Exchange to start serving mail when you restart it for updates/changes/etc?My guess, about 45mins after the windows login
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@wirestyle22 said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
I read that the Veeam backup is around 10x faster than a windows server backup. Normally this would sound like a marketing ploy but everyone here on ML seems to swear by Veeam. Can anyone confirm? The windows backup took 3 days to complete, thats why I ask.
I can confirm that it's way faster than ArcServe. That's what I moved to Veeam from. I can also confirm that the message level restore works well as well.
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@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@wirestyle22
Just curious, how long does it take your Exchange to start serving mail when you restart it for updates/changes/etc?I'm not sure. Anytime this is rebooted it's on the weekends and I'm not here
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@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
Just curious, how long does it take your Exchange to start serving mail when you restart it for updates/changes/etc?
For the exchange servers I've run, once all the exchange services have started it will pass mail. The time it takes for all the services to start depends on the hardware. The trick to a faster reboot with an Exchange server is to shut down the system attendant service first. If you just tell the server to reboot, it will shut down a service, and then another service will need to write something, so it will bring the first service back up. After a few rounds of that it will eventually shutdown.
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@Mike-Davis said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
@momurda said in Exchange 2010 Hard Drive Space Issues:
Just curious, how long does it take your Exchange to start serving mail when you restart it for updates/changes/etc?
For the exchange servers I've run, once all the exchange services have started it will pass mail. The time it takes for all the services to start depends on the hardware. The trick to a faster reboot with an Exchange server is to shut down the system attendant service first. If you just tell the server to reboot, it will shut down a service, and then another service will need to write something, so it will bring the first service back up. After a few rounds of that it will eventually shutdown.
Yep, I always stop the exchange services before rebooting our system. Otherwise it seems to take 10 times longer.
