Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version
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@DustinB3403 said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
What am I missing by not having the security gateway?
Unifi management.
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@scottalanmiller What does that include?
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@DustinB3403 said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@scottalanmiller What does that include?
Unifi is UBNT's unique unified network management platform that ties their Unifi APs, switches and gateways together into a single panel view, a la Meraki. It can be hosted on premises or hosted off premises. It gives you most of the power of a management network without needing network engineers that know managed networks.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@DustinB3403 said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@scottalanmiller What does that include?
Unifi is UBNT's unique unified network management platform that ties their Unifi APs, switches and gateways together into a single panel view, a la Meraki. It can be hosted on premises or hosted off premises. It gives you most of the power of a management network without needing network engineers that know managed networks.
Gotcha.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I wish the controller could see the EdgeMax devices. I understand it's the point of the Unifi line, but it would be nice to even get some statistics from the EdgeMax stuff.
Agreed, I really don't understand why they have these two separate lines?
Because they are two very different things. One is traditional enterprise management SNMP gear. The other is "Smart" gear. Every vendor in networking has two lines if they have these two things.
Why couldn't they be in a single line? One device that can do both?
Because people who want the one don't want the overhead of the other, and people who want the other, don't want the complexity of the former. They conflict with each other.
I wish they would release an EdgeMax AP. It's kind of nice to not need the full controller to manage one or two APs. I know you can use the phone app, but it would still be nice.
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@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I wish the controller could see the EdgeMax devices. I understand it's the point of the Unifi line, but it would be nice to even get some statistics from the EdgeMax stuff.
Agreed, I really don't understand why they have these two separate lines?
Because they are two very different things. One is traditional enterprise management SNMP gear. The other is "Smart" gear. Every vendor in networking has two lines if they have these two things.
Why couldn't they be in a single line? One device that can do both?
Because people who want the one don't want the overhead of the other, and people who want the other, don't want the complexity of the former. They conflict with each other.
I wish they would release an EdgeMax AP. It's kind of nice to not need the full controller to manage one or two APs. I know you can use the phone app, but it would still be nice.
I agree. An APMax.
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An non centrally controlled AP seems more consumer class to me. I'm sure there are other enterprise vendors who have them, but it seems to be going backwards.
Though I suppose since the EdgeMax switches are supposed to be managed by SNMP, the AP could be the same.
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
An non centrally controlled AP seems more consumer class to me. I'm sure there are other enterprise vendors who have them, but it seems to be going backwards.
Though I suppose since the EdgeMax switches are supposed to be managed by SNMP, the AP could be the same.
None of the EdgeMax stuff has a central controller. I don't think that makes it consumer class. Even if they just added the EdgeOS interface and OS to the AP. That would make it more expensive, but you could manage it directly from the AP.
IMO, needing to set up a full VM or installing a large program on your Windows machine, just so you can set configs in an AP isn't necessarily moving forward either.
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@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
An non centrally controlled AP seems more consumer class to me. I'm sure there are other enterprise vendors who have them, but it seems to be going backwards.
Though I suppose since the EdgeMax switches are supposed to be managed by SNMP, the AP could be the same.
None of the EdgeMax stuff has a central controller. I don't think that makes it consumer class.
That's why I mentioned Scott's mention of SNMP for management of them.
IMO, needing to set up a full VM or installing a large program on your Windows machine, just so you can set configs in an AP isn't necessarily moving forward either.
You already have this, it's the phone app.
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@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
An non centrally controlled AP seems more consumer class to me. I'm sure there are other enterprise vendors who have them, but it seems to be going backwards.
Though I suppose since the EdgeMax switches are supposed to be managed by SNMP, the AP could be the same.
None of the EdgeMax stuff has a central controller. I don't think that makes it consumer class. Even if they just added the EdgeOS interface and OS to the AP. That would make it more expensive, but you could manage it directly from the AP.
IMO, needing to set up a full VM or installing a large program on your Windows machine, just so you can set configs in an AP isn't necessarily moving forward either.
They do, though, they have SNMP as their central controller. They are designed to fit into a larger, multi-vendor, third party central controller scheme.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
An non centrally controlled AP seems more consumer class to me. I'm sure there are other enterprise vendors who have them, but it seems to be going backwards.
Though I suppose since the EdgeMax switches are supposed to be managed by SNMP, the AP could be the same.
None of the EdgeMax stuff has a central controller. I don't think that makes it consumer class. Even if they just added the EdgeOS interface and OS to the AP. That would make it more expensive, but you could manage it directly from the AP.
IMO, needing to set up a full VM or installing a large program on your Windows machine, just so you can set configs in an AP isn't necessarily moving forward either.
They do, though, they have SNMP as their central controller. They are designed to fit into a larger, multi-vendor, third party central controller scheme.
Then if you have a Zabbix server you can monitor stuff using snmp
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
They do, though, they have SNMP as their central controller.
Sorry, meant an application created by them as a controller.
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
You already have this, it's the phone app.
Not what I mean. I mean Needing another device to manage another device isn't moving forward. I don't need anything else to manage an EdgeSwitch or EdgeRouter (other than a browser or SSH). I would need either their controller software or the phone app to manage the APs.
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I this this as a double edged sword. If you're in a setup that's so small as to only need one or two - the then phone app is probably ample, but if you have more than a 2, then moving to a controller makes complete sense to me.
But I can see you point as well. You have an ER-X and a single AP, you want to just have an easy time managing them both from CLI.
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I this this as a double edged sword. If you're in a setup that's so small as to only need one or two - the then phone app is probably ample, but if you have more than a 2, then moving to a controller makes complete sense to me.
But I can see you point as well. You have an ER-X and a single AP, you want to just have an easy time managing them both from CLI.
Right. It's not a big deal, just something that would be nice to have. I only have 2 APs at home but I have an ERL and EdgeSwitch.
I could be the only one, but I like the EdgeOS interface a lot.
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@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I this this as a double edged sword. If you're in a setup that's so small as to only need one or two - the then phone app is probably ample, but if you have more than a 2, then moving to a controller makes complete sense to me.
But I can see you point as well. You have an ER-X and a single AP, you want to just have an easy time managing them both from CLI.
Right. It's not a big deal, just something that would be nice to have. I only have 2 APs at home but I have an ERL and EdgeSwitch.
I could be the only one, but I like the EdgeOS interface a lot.
the GUI or the CLI?
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I this this as a double edged sword. If you're in a setup that's so small as to only need one or two - the then phone app is probably ample, but if you have more than a 2, then moving to a controller makes complete sense to me.
But I can see you point as well. You have an ER-X and a single AP, you want to just have an easy time managing them both from CLI.
Right. It's not a big deal, just something that would be nice to have. I only have 2 APs at home but I have an ERL and EdgeSwitch.
I could be the only one, but I like the EdgeOS interface a lot.
the GUI or the CLI?
GUI, CLI is the same I think (Never used a USG, the cli on the APs is really limited and not the same).
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@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I this this as a double edged sword. If you're in a setup that's so small as to only need one or two - the then phone app is probably ample, but if you have more than a 2, then moving to a controller makes complete sense to me.
But I can see you point as well. You have an ER-X and a single AP, you want to just have an easy time managing them both from CLI.
Right. It's not a big deal, just something that would be nice to have. I only have 2 APs at home but I have an ERL and EdgeSwitch.
I could be the only one, but I like the EdgeOS interface a lot.
the GUI or the CLI?
GUI, CLI is the same I think (Never used a USG, the cli on the APs is really limited and not the same).
yeah the EdgeOS GUI is OK. I don't have any issues with it, until I need something it can't do.
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I this this as a double edged sword. If you're in a setup that's so small as to only need one or two - the then phone app is probably ample, but if you have more than a 2, then moving to a controller makes complete sense to me.
But I can see you point as well. You have an ER-X and a single AP, you want to just have an easy time managing them both from CLI.
Right. It's not a big deal, just something that would be nice to have. I only have 2 APs at home but I have an ERL and EdgeSwitch.
I could be the only one, but I like the EdgeOS interface a lot.
the GUI or the CLI?
GUI, CLI is the same I think (Never used a USG, the cli on the APs is really limited and not the same).
yeah the EdgeOS GUI is OK. I don't have any issues with it, until I need something it can't do.
What? You have no issues with it until you need something that it cannot do. Umm,wooden that normally be the case with anything
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@JaredBusch said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@stacksofplates said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
@Dashrender said in Ubiquiti Security Gateway - Is there a software version:
I this this as a double edged sword. If you're in a setup that's so small as to only need one or two - the then phone app is probably ample, but if you have more than a 2, then moving to a controller makes complete sense to me.
But I can see you point as well. You have an ER-X and a single AP, you want to just have an easy time managing them both from CLI.
Right. It's not a big deal, just something that would be nice to have. I only have 2 APs at home but I have an ERL and EdgeSwitch.
I could be the only one, but I like the EdgeOS interface a lot.
the GUI or the CLI?
GUI, CLI is the same I think (Never used a USG, the cli on the APs is really limited and not the same).
yeah the EdgeOS GUI is OK. I don't have any issues with it, until I need something it can't do.
What? You have no issues with it until you need something that it cannot do. Umm,wooden that normally be the case with anything
The point I was driving at - is why would someone like @stacksofplates even both considering he loves CLI normally to use the GUI when it can't do everything - that is all.
