old MSP wants to know what they did wrong
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@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
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@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
I would think so. In my case, it was (is) a drill press.
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@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
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@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
Those are all definite items. By that logic, you can't call a computer a pizza box, because a box that contains pizza is a literal pizza box. Once you give something a nickname, it loses the direct connection to what it's now being called, based on something that has nothing to do with the true purpose of the item. Any moron can clearly see that it is a computer and not a box of pizza. If the trademarked name was the IBM Pizza Box, that would be a different story. But, it's not. If I feel like calling a 1U server a pizza box and have never heard of the SPARCstation, that doesn't nullify my ability to use a nickname. Or, we can't call you SAM because someone else at some earlier time used the nickname and to call you SAM is inherently incorrect to anyone who is aware of its former use.
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@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
Those are all definite items. By that logic, you can't call a computer a pizza box, because a box that contains pizza is a literal pizza box. Once you give something a nickname, it loses the direct connection to what it's now being called, based on something that has nothing to do with the true purpose of the item. Any moron can clearly see that it is a computer and not a box of pizza. If the trademarked name was the IBM Pizza Box, that would be a different story. But, it's not. If I feel like calling a 1U server a pizza box and have never heard of the SPARCstation, that doesn't nullify my ability to use a nickname. Or, we can't call you SAM because someone else at some earlier time used the nickname and to call you SAM is inherently incorrect to anyone who is aware of its former use.
You are missing the issue. The issue is that the source of the new nickname is a misuse of the old one, not an introduction of a new one. That's specifically the problem. If the 1U server had been intentionally nicknames a pizzabox, instead of being mistaken for a Sparcserver, then that would apply.
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For example, we all know that the Volkswagon Beetle is known as the "bug". If someone saw another car thinking it was the Beetle and called it a bug, they are not nicknaming that new car a bug as well, they are misidentifying it as a Beetle. That is the source of the issue here, we are talking about a mistake, not a new nickname. That the mistake is repeated a lot in SMB / SW circles is expected as tons of mistakes like mistaking what a Type 2 hypervisor is, or what product runs on bare metal, or what cloud is are all also similar mistakes that we correct. We dont just take someone misunderstanding something and call it a "new nickname."
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@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
Those are all definite items. By that logic, you can't call a computer a pizza box, because a box that contains pizza is a literal pizza box. Once you give something a nickname, it loses the direct connection to what it's now being called, based on something that has nothing to do with the true purpose of the item. Any moron can clearly see that it is a computer and not a box of pizza. If the trademarked name was the IBM Pizza Box, that would be a different story. But, it's not. If I feel like calling a 1U server a pizza box and have never heard of the SPARCstation, that doesn't nullify my ability to use a nickname. Or, we can't call you SAM because someone else at some earlier time used the nickname and to call you SAM is inherently incorrect to anyone who is aware of its former use.
You are missing the issue. The issue is that the source of the new nickname is a misuse of the old one, not an introduction of a new one. That's specifically the problem. If the 1U server had been intentionally nicknames a pizzabox, instead of being mistaken for a Sparcserver, then that would apply.
You are missing the issue: it doesn't matter. It's a nickname and can apply to whatever you want to call by that name. If I feel like calling a spoon a dinglehopper, even though Ariel already taught us that a fork is a dinglehopper, I'm not wrong. Neither of them is actually a dinglehopper. It's a nickname and has nothing to due with anything that actually means something. If I'm in an interview and you ask me a question as vague as that, you deserve whatever response you get. How many things are referred to as a "toaster"? But, there was this thing that was called a toaster years ago and if you don't know that then you're not as smart as me because I know what a "real" toaster is, even though none of them are actually toasters. I do know what a real toaster is, and they are not related, outside a mild resemblance of size and overall shape.
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@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
For example, we all know that the Volkswagon Beetle is known as the "bug". If someone saw another car thinking it was the Beetle and called it a bug, they are not nicknaming that new car a bug as well, they are misidentifying it as a Beetle. That is the source of the issue here, we are talking about a mistake, not a new nickname. That the mistake is repeated a lot in SMB / SW circles is expected as tons of mistakes like mistaking what a Type 2 hypervisor is, or what product runs on bare metal, or what cloud is are all also similar mistakes that we correct. We dont just take someone misunderstanding something and call it a "new nickname."
Not necessarily true. A person could easily not be aware of that common usage and think some random car looks like a bug and call it such. They aren't "wrong". It's not a defined thing. Or, they could know about Beetles and still think some other car looks like a bug and call it that. That doesn't make them wrong.
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@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
Those are all definite items. By that logic, you can't call a computer a pizza box, because a box that contains pizza is a literal pizza box. Once you give something a nickname, it loses the direct connection to what it's now being called, based on something that has nothing to do with the true purpose of the item. Any moron can clearly see that it is a computer and not a box of pizza. If the trademarked name was the IBM Pizza Box, that would be a different story. But, it's not. If I feel like calling a 1U server a pizza box and have never heard of the SPARCstation, that doesn't nullify my ability to use a nickname. Or, we can't call you SAM because someone else at some earlier time used the nickname and to call you SAM is inherently incorrect to anyone who is aware of its former use.
You are missing the issue. The issue is that the source of the new nickname is a misuse of the old one, not an introduction of a new one. That's specifically the problem. If the 1U server had been intentionally nicknames a pizzabox, instead of being mistaken for a Sparcserver, then that would apply.
You are missing the issue: it doesn't matter. It's a nickname and can apply to whatever you want to call by that name.
No, that's not how nicknames work. If your nickname is Chuck and the real Chuck is standing beside you and I confuse your nicknames, that doesn't imply that I am nicknaming you Chuck, it means I was confused as to who you were.
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@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
For example, we all know that the Volkswagon Beetle is known as the "bug". If someone saw another car thinking it was the Beetle and called it a bug, they are not nicknaming that new car a bug as well, they are misidentifying it as a Beetle. That is the source of the issue here, we are talking about a mistake, not a new nickname. That the mistake is repeated a lot in SMB / SW circles is expected as tons of mistakes like mistaking what a Type 2 hypervisor is, or what product runs on bare metal, or what cloud is are all also similar mistakes that we correct. We dont just take someone misunderstanding something and call it a "new nickname."
Not necessarily true. A person could easily not be aware of that common usage and think some random car looks like a bug and call it such. They aren't "wrong". It's not a defined thing. Or, they could know about Beetles and still think some other car looks like a bug and call it that. That doesn't make them wrong.
I agree, but that is specifically what I explained isn't the situation here.
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@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
If I feel like calling a spoon a dinglehopper, even though Ariel already taught us that a fork is a dinglehopper, I'm not wrong. Neither of them is actually a dinglehopper. It's a nickname and has nothing to due with anything that actually means something.
You are talking about intent, which doesn't apply here as my point is specifically that there was no intentional re-use, only accidental misuse and repetition.
Nicknames are aliases and they do have definite meaning, though.
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A nickname is a name. Intentional misuse of a nickname to confuse or mislead is wrong. Accidental misuse is still wrong, but it is an accident. Intentional changing can, of course, happen - but is not applicable if the intent is to mislead by using an known nickname for something else while trying to mislead the hearer knowing that they have an established use of the term.
In a court, your "just call anything you want anything that you want" theory would not hold up. It's "intent to mislead".
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@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
Those are all definite items. By that logic, you can't call a computer a pizza box, because a box that contains pizza is a literal pizza box. Once you give something a nickname, it loses the direct connection to what it's now being called, based on something that has nothing to do with the true purpose of the item. Any moron can clearly see that it is a computer and not a box of pizza. If the trademarked name was the IBM Pizza Box, that would be a different story. But, it's not. If I feel like calling a 1U server a pizza box and have never heard of the SPARCstation, that doesn't nullify my ability to use a nickname. Or, we can't call you SAM because someone else at some earlier time used the nickname and to call you SAM is inherently incorrect to anyone who is aware of its former use.
You are missing the issue. The issue is that the source of the new nickname is a misuse of the old one, not an introduction of a new one. That's specifically the problem. If the 1U server had been intentionally nicknames a pizzabox, instead of being mistaken for a Sparcserver, then that would apply.
You are missing the issue: it doesn't matter. It's a nickname and can apply to whatever you want to call by that name.
No, that's not how nicknames work. If your nickname is Chuck and the real Chuck is standing beside you and I confuse your nicknames, that doesn't imply that I am nicknaming you Chuck, it means I was confused as to who you were.
That's the issue. There is no real "Chuck", unless Chuck Norris is in the room, which is always something to consider...
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@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
Those are all definite items. By that logic, you can't call a computer a pizza box, because a box that contains pizza is a literal pizza box. Once you give something a nickname, it loses the direct connection to what it's now being called, based on something that has nothing to do with the true purpose of the item. Any moron can clearly see that it is a computer and not a box of pizza. If the trademarked name was the IBM Pizza Box, that would be a different story. But, it's not. If I feel like calling a 1U server a pizza box and have never heard of the SPARCstation, that doesn't nullify my ability to use a nickname. Or, we can't call you SAM because someone else at some earlier time used the nickname and to call you SAM is inherently incorrect to anyone who is aware of its former use.
You are missing the issue. The issue is that the source of the new nickname is a misuse of the old one, not an introduction of a new one. That's specifically the problem. If the 1U server had been intentionally nicknames a pizzabox, instead of being mistaken for a Sparcserver, then that would apply.
You are missing the issue: it doesn't matter. It's a nickname and can apply to whatever you want to call by that name.
No, that's not how nicknames work. If your nickname is Chuck and the real Chuck is standing beside you and I confuse your nicknames, that doesn't imply that I am nicknaming you Chuck, it means I was confused as to who you were.
That's the issue. There is no real "Chuck", unless Chuck Norris is in the room, which is always something to consider...
Everyone could be nicknamed Chuck. It makes no difference.Ah, that IS the issue. There IS a real Chuck. ALL names are simply just accepted references. Once you know that there is an accepted reference to something, and know that it has meaning to other people, misusing that is deception. It's no different than lying about their real name.
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@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
If I feel like calling a spoon a dinglehopper, even though Ariel already taught us that a fork is a dinglehopper, I'm not wrong. Neither of them is actually a dinglehopper. It's a nickname and has nothing to due with anything that actually means something.
You are talking about intent, which doesn't apply here as my point is specifically that there was no intentional re-use, only accidental misuse and repetition.
Nicknames are aliases and they do have definite meaning, though.
Unless you were standing there the very first time that it was supposedly used incorrectly, you don't know the intent. It could easily have been someone thinking a 1U server looks like a box of pizza. It's not codified.
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@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
I would agree with this argument if the Sparcstation was officially named 'PizzaBox', but I can find no such indication. This is just a nickname given by those who used them (because of an ad that Sparc did most likely).
https://i.imgur.com/KZ5szSD.pngThis image along tells me that even google doesn't directly associate pizzabox with the sparcstation as there are no auto results - sure this anecdotal, but seems pretty relevant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_box_form_factor
Wikipedia does have this posting, but does go on to claim that pretty much anything in the 1-2 U space as a pizzabox.So I have to ask - the swastika - is it a nazi symbol or a pagan one?
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Your theory is that you can call anything by any name you want, any time regardless of knowing that you are using specific names and meanings as accepted by the group and knowing that you will be misleading them (lying.) Lying applies the same with nicknames.
You have a friend that everyone calls Chuck. You know that they call him that. You punch him. You go to court. The court asks you if you punched Chuck and you say no. You are lying, Chuck is the reference to him. You can't choose to just dereference him without clearly designating that you are not using the accepted reference.
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@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
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If I feel like calling a spoon a dinglehopper, even though Ariel already taught us that a fork is a dinglehopper, I'm not wrong. Neither of them is actually a dinglehopper. It's a nickname and has nothing to due with anything that actually means something.
You are talking about intent, which doesn't apply here as my point is specifically that there was no intentional re-use, only accidental misuse and repetition.
Nicknames are aliases and they do have definite meaning, though.
Yes, you nickname it a pizza box cause it's shaped like a pizza box in some way. I guess that can only apply to one item in the known universe, other than a box of pizza and should never be used to point to anything other than a Sparcstation.
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@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:
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If I feel like calling a spoon a dinglehopper, even though Ariel already taught us that a fork is a dinglehopper, I'm not wrong. Neither of them is actually a dinglehopper. It's a nickname and has nothing to due with anything that actually means something.
You are talking about intent, which doesn't apply here as my point is specifically that there was no intentional re-use, only accidental misuse and repetition.
Nicknames are aliases and they do have definite meaning, though.
Unless you were standing there the very first time that it was supposedly used incorrectly, you don't know the intent. It could easily have been someone thinking a 1U server looks like a box of pizza. It's not codified.
Right, and I've seen that first use case over and over again, that was part of my point.
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@hobbit666 I used to manage them regularly. I managed actual pizza boxes in the early 1990s in academia (yes, mostly CAD stuff) and later around 2000 in manufacturing. I know someone in California still using the same pizzaboxes that I had for manufacturing. I know both in manufacturing and in finance these are still in use today, so the term remains not just relevant, but current. And I believe that NTG has one for the museum as well.
Are they using an updated version, or a 25+ year old machine?
I'd wager a guess that it's the 25 year old machine. We're talking about manufacturing here...
So, does the use of a 25 year old CAT scan machine mean they are using current equipment? lol
And to think that you just got chewed out for wanting to look into details of Server 2003...
Holy shit, you're right LOL
Can't have it both ways. Either you're wrong for thinking 2003 might be in some way relevant, or lose the hipster shtick and realize that a nickname for something 25 years old in IT means nothing.
2003 isn't appropriate for business. Accuracy is not "hipster." Just because a term is for something old, doesn't mean that people discussing something old or supporting something old can misuse the term legitimately. No matter how old Windows 2003 is, you can never call something else Windows 2003 just because you think it is hipster to use the right term. CentOS 6 will never be Windows 2003 just because time passes. A '67 Chevy can't be called a Ford now just because you can't buy one.
Those are all definite items. By that logic, you can't call a computer a pizza box, because a box that contains pizza is a literal pizza box. Once you give something a nickname, it loses the direct connection to what it's now being called, based on something that has nothing to do with the true purpose of the item. Any moron can clearly see that it is a computer and not a box of pizza. If the trademarked name was the IBM Pizza Box, that would be a different story. But, it's not. If I feel like calling a 1U server a pizza box and have never heard of the SPARCstation, that doesn't nullify my ability to use a nickname. Or, we can't call you SAM because someone else at some earlier time used the nickname and to call you SAM is inherently incorrect to anyone who is aware of its former use.
You are missing the issue. The issue is that the source of the new nickname is a misuse of the old one, not an introduction of a new one. That's specifically the problem. If the 1U server had been intentionally nicknames a pizzabox, instead of being mistaken for a Sparcserver, then that would apply.
You are missing the issue: it doesn't matter. It's a nickname and can apply to whatever you want to call by that name.
No, that's not how nicknames work. If your nickname is Chuck and the real Chuck is standing beside you and I confuse your nicknames, that doesn't imply that I am nicknaming you Chuck, it means I was confused as to who you were.
That's the issue. There is no real "Chuck", unless Chuck Norris is in the room, which is always something to consider...
Everyone could be nicknamed Chuck. It makes no difference.Ah, that IS the issue. There IS a real Chuck. ALL names are simply just accepted references. Once you know that there is an accepted reference to something, and know that it has meaning to other people, misusing that is deception. It's no different than lying about their real name.
Then who is the "real" Chuck?
