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The upside to legalization is that it drops total usage. The problem is that if you legalize locally, this fails. You have to legalize broadly. It's just like gambling. Make only AC and Vegas allowed to gamble and they become major problems. Make gambling legal everywhere and the problem mostly goes away, like in Europe or Central America. You can gamble anywhere, so almost no one does.
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DARE actually made kids do more drugs. Look at the case studies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Abuse_Resistance_Education
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Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@BRRABill said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
DARE is more about making good choices now. They barely even touch on drugs and alcohol.
Never saw DARE as a kid.
It was pretty new when I was kid about 20 years ago
Ugh D.A.R.E how best to instill distrust in law enforcement then to tell kids they are going to die/be arrested if they try even one joint or have one drink. They jumped the shark right around when I went through their programs.
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
DARE actually made kids do more drugs. Look at the case studies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Abuse_Resistance_Education
That's what I'd always heard. They made doing drugs seem cool. Or, more importantly, made not doing drugs dorky. It was REALLY obvious that it was going to push drugs when I first learned about it. Everyone said the same thing - it was so ridiculous that it was pushing kids to do drugs. It also raised awareness at a time when a lot of people had zero exposure to drugs. It encourages those that never saw them to seek them out.
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
That does seem weird - why do you think that is so? rebellious nature of kids?
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Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
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@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
I wouldn't go that far... but it does have a lot of the same traits. Especially since you were supposed to tell an adult if one of your friends was using.
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
That does seem weird - why do you think that is so? rebellious nature of kids?
DARE didn't require it to be rebellious. It made authorities into the bad guys, made those that avoided drugs look like losers, branded those avoiding drugs as bad apples, made kids stand out for avoiding drugs, etc. It provided so much false information that it became clear that the anti-drug people were the bad guys and that all of the warnings about drugs were obviously from a questionable source.
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@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
I wouldn't go that far... but it does have a lot of the same traits. Especially since you were supposed to tell an adult if one of your friends was using.
So more like the drug version of McCarthism.
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@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
Seriously I Laughed out loud at that.
Sure, except that it's purpose was to try to keep kids away from something bad for them, like drugs.. vs another program which was to report parents that were speaking against the government. One has a good goal, the other is about totalitarianism.
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@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
That does seem weird - why do you think that is so? rebellious nature of kids?
It provided so much false information that it became clear that the anti-drug people were the bad guys
This, this was one of the biggest issues with D.A.R.E it made, even me an impressionable and gullible kid, question them when I could fairly easily goto the library and see what they were telling us was false.
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@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
I wouldn't go that far... but it does have a lot of the same traits. Especially since you were supposed to tell an adult if one of your friends was using.
So more like the drug version of McCarthism.
You mean Americanism!
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@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
That does seem weird - why do you think that is so? rebellious nature of kids?
It provided so much false information that it became clear that the anti-drug people were the bad guys
This, this was one of the biggest issues with D.A.R.E it made, even me an impressionable and gullible kid, question them when I could fairly easily goto the library and see what they were telling us was false.
Exactly, once they start lying to kids, the kids know that they are the bad guys.
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@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
I wouldn't go that far... but it does have a lot of the same traits. Especially since you were supposed to tell an adult if one of your friends was using.
So more like the drug version of McCarthism.
You mean Americanism!
Those kids need some additional freedom!
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
Seriously I Laughed out loud at that.
Sure, except that it's purpose was to try to keep kids away from something bad for them, like drugs.. vs another program which was to report parents that were speaking against the government. One has a good goal, the other is about totalitarianism.
Both were about totalitarianism though. One acutely one not. It was a way for law enforcement to get in front of kids and try to control behavior. Just like most prohibitions it did exactly the opposite.
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
Seriously I Laughed out loud at that.
Sure, except that it's purpose was to try to keep kids away from something bad for them, like drugs.. vs another program which was to report parents that were speaking against the government. One has a good goal, the other is about totalitarianism.
No, it was a program meant to get kids to turn in adults. DARE wasn't about getting kids off of drugs, just like the war on drugs wasn't. Both expanded drug use and solidified the power of cartels rather than moving power to local growers. DARE was never about stopping kids doing drugs. That's why it was like the Hitler Youth. Both sounded good at the time, but their actual motives were sinister.
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@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Wasn't DARE like a drug version of the Hitler Youth?
Seriously I Laughed out loud at that.
Sure, except that it's purpose was to try to keep kids away from something bad for them, like drugs.. vs another program which was to report parents that were speaking against the government. One has a good goal, the other is about totalitarianism.
Both were about totalitarianism though. One acutely one not. It was a way for law enforcement to get in front of kids and try to control behavior of adults.
It was using kids as part of law enforcement. It put kids in danger, it put adults in danger, it made children into reports about something that they were being lied to about and could not really understand.
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@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
That does seem weird - why do you think that is so? rebellious nature of kids?
It provided so much false information that it became clear that the anti-drug people were the bad guys
This, this was one of the biggest issues with D.A.R.E it made, even me an impressionable and gullible kid, question them when I could fairly easily goto the library and see what they were telling us was false.
huh, OK I'm clearly going to open a door for JB to slam me here - but either I totally didn't give a shit about what they were saying, or was to stupid to see that their statements were/seemed false. I tend to lean toward the first option, but I must leave some room I guess.
I never felt that what they were saying was false, but at the same time I never had the desire to even try it. I guess being an asthmatic and smoking alone could cause me to collapse, the whole drug thing was a non starter for me.
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
That does seem weird - why do you think that is so? rebellious nature of kids?
It provided so much false information that it became clear that the anti-drug people were the bad guys
This, this was one of the biggest issues with D.A.R.E it made, even me an impressionable and gullible kid, question them when I could fairly easily goto the library and see what they were telling us was false.
huh, OK I'm clearly going to open a door for JB to slam me here - but either I totally didn't give a shit about what they were saying, or was to stupid to see that their statements were/seemed false. I tend to lean toward the first option, but I must leave some room I guess.
I never felt that what they were saying was false, but at the same time I never had the desire to even try it. I guess being an asthmatic and smoking alone could cause me to collapse, the whole drug thing was a non starter for me.
It was probably the former. Most people didn't give a shit about what they were saying. Which was part of the problem it made ignoring them the cool thing to do.
I was a nerdy kid who enjoyed the library a bit too much. So when they started spewing false statements I had this desire to fact check them.
