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    • thwrT
      thwr @gjacobse
      last edited by

      @gjacobse said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

      ESP8266

      Technically yes, but using a Linux-capable board gives you lots of benefits - like using well known and tested drivers, cron, ethernet stack, firewall, SSH and what not

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      • gjacobseG
        gjacobse @thwr
        last edited by

        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

        @gjacobse said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

        ESP8266

        Technically yes, but using a Linux-capable board gives you lots of benefits - like using well known and tested drivers, cron, ethernet stack, firewall, SSH and what not

        Agreed.

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch @thwr
          last edited by JaredBusch

          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

          Re: Got a Pi

          @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

          @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

          @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

          So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

          I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

          I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

          0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

          So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

          You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

          Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

          For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

          But what is the cost for all of that. That kit is $50 shipped.

          A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

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          • IRJI
            IRJ @JaredBusch
            last edited by

            @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

            @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

            @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

            Re: Got a Pi

            @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

            @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

            @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

            So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

            I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

            I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

            0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

            So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

            You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

            Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

            For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

            Put what is the cost for all of that. That kit is $50 shipped.

            A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

            I agree. It is overkill, but for the price difference in a corporate environment why not? You could eventually re purpose it and if you do bluetooth, wifi, and 4 usb ports are nice to have.

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            • thwrT
              thwr @JaredBusch
              last edited by

              @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

              @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

              @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

              Re: Got a Pi

              @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

              @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

              @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

              So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

              I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

              I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

              0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

              So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

              You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

              Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

              For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

              Put what is the cost for all of that.

              A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

              • Pi Zero $5
              • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

              vs

              • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption
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              • IRJI
                IRJ @thwr
                last edited by

                @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                Re: Got a Pi

                @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                Put what is the cost for all of that.

                A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                • Pi Zero $5
                • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                vs

                • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

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                • gjacobseG
                  gjacobse @thwr
                  last edited by

                  @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                  @gjacobse said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                  ESP8266

                  Technically yes, but using a Linux-capable board gives you lots of benefits - like using well known and tested drivers, cron, ethernet stack, firewall, SSH and what not

                  Just happened to think about this again as I spied the UPS on the desk.... and the one beside the desk,.. and then count how many APC UPS 500s I have.... which is like eight. then I have a APC 1100..

                  so for each to have a Pi would be about $400....ouch.

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                  • thwrT
                    thwr @IRJ
                    last edited by thwr

                    @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                    Re: Got a Pi

                    @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                    @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                    @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                    So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                    I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                    I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                    0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                    So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                    You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                    Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                    For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                    Put what is the cost for all of that.

                    A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                    • Pi Zero $5
                    • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                    vs

                    • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                    Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                    Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch @thwr
                      last edited by

                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                      @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                      Re: Got a Pi

                      @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                      @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                      @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                      So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                      I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                      I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                      0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                      So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                      You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                      Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                      For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                      Put what is the cost for all of that.

                      A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                      • Pi Zero $5
                      • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                      vs

                      • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                      Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                      Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                      I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

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                      • IRJI
                        IRJ @thwr
                        last edited by

                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                        @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                        Re: Got a Pi

                        @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                        @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                        @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                        So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                        I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                        I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                        0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                        So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                        You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                        Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                        For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                        Put what is the cost for all of that.

                        A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                        • Pi Zero $5
                        • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                        vs

                        • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                        Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                        Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                        well that is a different story if you deploying many at once.

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                        • IRJI
                          IRJ @JaredBusch
                          last edited by

                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                          Re: Got a Pi

                          @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                          @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                          @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                          So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                          I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                          I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                          0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                          So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                          You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                          Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                          For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                          Put what is the cost for all of that.

                          A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                          • Pi Zero $5
                          • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                          vs

                          • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                          Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                          Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                          I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                          right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

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                          • thwrT
                            thwr @IRJ
                            last edited by thwr

                            @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                            @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                            @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                            @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                            @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                            @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                            @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                            Re: Got a Pi

                            @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                            @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                            @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                            So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                            I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                            I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                            0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                            So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                            You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                            Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                            For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                            Put what is the cost for all of that.

                            A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                            • Pi Zero $5
                            • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                            vs

                            • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                            Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                            Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                            well that is a different story if you deploying many at once.

                            Yup. And then its (raw material, no case, no power supply, no SD card, no shipping included) $35 vs $8 per piece.

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                            • thwrT
                              thwr @IRJ
                              last edited by

                              @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                              Re: Got a Pi

                              @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                              @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                              @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                              So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                              I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                              I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                              0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                              So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                              You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                              Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                              For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                              Put what is the cost for all of that.

                              A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                              • Pi Zero $5
                              • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                              vs

                              • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                              Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                              Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                              I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                              right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                              They still do?

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                              • IRJI
                                IRJ @thwr
                                last edited by

                                @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                Re: Got a Pi

                                @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                • Pi Zero $5
                                • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                vs

                                • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                They still do?

                                They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

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                                • MattSpellerM
                                  MattSpeller
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                                  Just get the Pi3 - sure it's overkill but an extra twenty bucks is a rounding error compared to your time costs etc.

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                                  • thwrT
                                    thwr @IRJ
                                    last edited by thwr

                                    @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    Re: Got a Pi

                                    @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                    So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                    I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                    I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                    0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                    So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                    You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                    Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                    For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                    Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                    A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                    • Pi Zero $5
                                    • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                    vs

                                    • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                    Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                    Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                    I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                    right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                    They still do?

                                    They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                    Uhm, wasn't aware. That sucks. But there are other cheap boards out there

                                    @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                    Re: Got a Pi

                                    @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                    So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                    I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                    I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                    0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                    So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                    You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                    Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                    For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                    Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                    A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                    • Pi Zero $5
                                    • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                    vs

                                    • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                    Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                    Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                    I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                    right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                    They still do?

                                    They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                    a CHIP might be a good alternative. Has 4GB internal storage and (but no ethernet) for $9, so you don't even need an microSD card

                                    http://www.board-db.org/search.php?advanced=1&q=&ram_min=256&cpu_speed_min=&cpu_cores=&price_min=&price_max=10&storage_min=4096&gpio_min=&usb_min=1&type=&lan_speed=0#results

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                                      @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      Re: Got a Pi

                                      @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                      So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                      I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                      I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                      0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                      So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                      You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                      Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                      For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                      Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                      A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                      • Pi Zero $5
                                      • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                      vs

                                      • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                      Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                      Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                      I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                      right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                      They still do?

                                      They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                      Uhm, wasn't aware. That sucks. But there are other cheap boards out there

                                      @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                      Re: Got a Pi

                                      @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                      So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                      I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                      I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                      0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                      So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                      You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                      Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                      For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                      Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                      A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                      • Pi Zero $5
                                      • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                      vs

                                      • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                      Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                      Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                      I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                      right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                      They still do?

                                      They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                      a CHIP might be a good alternative. Has 4GB internal storage and (but no ethernet) for $9, so you don't even need an microSD card

                                      http://www.board-db.org/search.php?advanced=1&q=&ram_min=256&cpu_speed_min=&cpu_cores=&price_min=&price_max=10&storage_min=4096&gpio_min=&usb_min=1&type=&lan_speed=0#results

                                      That board has poor reviews on there.

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                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        Re: Got a Pi

                                        @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                        So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                        I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                        I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                        0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                        So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                        You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                        Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                        For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                        Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                        A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                        • Pi Zero $5
                                        • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                        vs

                                        • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                        Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                        Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                        I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                        right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                        They still do?

                                        They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                        Uhm, wasn't aware. That sucks. But there are other cheap boards out there

                                        @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                        Re: Got a Pi

                                        @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                        So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                        I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                        I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                        0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                        So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                        You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                        Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                        For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                        Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                        A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                        • Pi Zero $5
                                        • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                        vs

                                        • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                        Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                        Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                        I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                        right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                        They still do?

                                        They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                        a CHIP might be a good alternative. Has 4GB internal storage and (but no ethernet) for $9, so you don't even need an microSD card

                                        http://www.board-db.org/search.php?advanced=1&q=&ram_min=256&cpu_speed_min=&cpu_cores=&price_min=&price_max=10&storage_min=4096&gpio_min=&usb_min=1&type=&lan_speed=0#results

                                        That board has poor reviews on there.

                                        They are still in kickstarter mode. I would stay away.

                                        https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer/description

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                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          Re: Got a Pi

                                          @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                          So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                          I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                          I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                          0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                          So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                          You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                          Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                          For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                          Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                          A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                          • Pi Zero $5
                                          • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                          vs

                                          • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                          Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                          Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                          I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                          right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                          They still do?

                                          They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                          Uhm, wasn't aware. That sucks. But there are other cheap boards out there

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          Re: Got a Pi

                                          @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                          So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                          I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                          I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                          0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                          So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                          You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                          Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                          For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                          Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                          A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                          • Pi Zero $5
                                          • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                          vs

                                          • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                          Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                          Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                          I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                          right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                          They still do?

                                          They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                          a CHIP might be a good alternative. Has 4GB internal storage and (but no ethernet) for $9, so you don't even need an microSD card

                                          http://www.board-db.org/search.php?advanced=1&q=&ram_min=256&cpu_speed_min=&cpu_cores=&price_min=&price_max=10&storage_min=4096&gpio_min=&usb_min=1&type=&lan_speed=0#results

                                          That board has poor reviews on there.

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          Re: Got a Pi

                                          @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                          So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                          I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                          I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                          0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                          So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                          You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                          Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                          For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                          Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                          A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                          • Pi Zero $5
                                          • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                          vs

                                          • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                          Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                          Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                          I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                          right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                          They still do?

                                          They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                          Uhm, wasn't aware. That sucks. But there are other cheap boards out there

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @IRJ said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @thwr said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Pi as a UPS monitor:

                                          Re: Got a Pi

                                          @IRJ said in Got a Pi:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Got a Pi:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Got a Pi:

                                          So where does everyone buy their Pi from?

                                          I'm a fan of Adafruit, Element 14, and Jamco Electronics, Mouser, and Digikey myself.

                                          I believe the Pi is sold but adafruit through Amazon. Adafruit is so slow, because they get so many orders, but through amazon they offer prime shipping.

                                          0_1474478491124_upload-517092e5-9c61-484c-aa76-af59278049ba

                                          So the consensus was a Pi3. I assume I need power and a case.

                                          You can see above that all I have is the UPS, router, and cable modem. So I need to get power from 110 converted down to the Pi3 and a case to hold it all.

                                          Pi3 is overkill. Like buying an Intel Xeon 1250v3 for mspaint.exe. A Zero with a USB network dongle should do. Or any Linux-capable ARM board with an ethernet socket.

                                          For the powersupply: What about some old smartphone charger?

                                          Put what is the cost for all of that.

                                          A Pi3 has WiFi built in. Ethernet will not work as there is not LAN in many of these locations. Really that was the only reason for the Pi3.

                                          • Pi Zero $5
                                          • Plug and play USB ethernet: $3.07 & FREE Shipping (Amazon)

                                          vs

                                          • Pi3 $35 + higher power consumption

                                          Don't forget the $7-10 shipping cost for the zero since you cant buy it on amazon.

                                          Would probably buy 20 or more at once, as far as I remember @JaredBusch plans to deploy lots of them.

                                          I dunnno about 20 at once, but yeah. a number of them.

                                          right now they are limiting one customer to one zero. You can't buy multiples at this point.

                                          They still do?

                                          They did when I ordered mine a few weeks ago

                                          a CHIP might be a good alternative. Has 4GB internal storage and (but no ethernet) for $9, so you don't even need an microSD card

                                          http://www.board-db.org/search.php?advanced=1&q=&ram_min=256&cpu_speed_min=&cpu_cores=&price_min=&price_max=10&storage_min=4096&gpio_min=&usb_min=1&type=&lan_speed=0#results

                                          That board has poor reviews on there.

                                          They are still in kickstarter mode. I would stay away.

                                          https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer/description

                                          ah ok - well, there are lots of other boards...

                                          Ethernet, no internal storage, $1-$10:
                                          http://www.board-db.org/search.php?advanced=1&q=&ram_min=256&cpu_speed_min=&cpu_cores=&price_min=1&price_max=10&storage_min=&gpio_min=&usb_min=1&type=&lan=on&lan_speed=0&order=rating&order_d=d

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