Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant
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http://www.newsweek.com/supreme-court-allows-fbi-hack-any-computer-anywhere-if-warrant-454278
As Steve Gibson explains it, this revised rule would allow the FBI to install malware on computers that it has probable cause to monitor, without getting a specific warrant for each case of installation.
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It would be pretty odd, I think, if the supreme court made hacking not legal in the case of a warrant.
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Probably cause "they read news about terrorism, so they must be considering it" install malware.
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Isn't that the point of a warrant? I guess I'm confused here.
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Basically this law makes the FBI a military organization, allowing them to go after anyone regardless of the rights of the US government to oversee it. It extends what was essentially military rights (rights of foreign invasion, attacks on foreign governments, acts of war) to non-military, local groups with no oversight.
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@coliver said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
Isn't that the point of a warrant? I guess I'm confused here.
Doesn't appear to be limited to the legal scope of the FBI.
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It looks like the big change is it allows judges to grant warrants not in their jurisdiction including computer that are overseas... I'm not sure how that works and isn't considered an act of war?
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Sounds like the German program but without that pesky limitation of scope.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
Basically this law makes the FBI a military organization, allowing them to go after anyone regardless of the rights of the US government to oversee it. It extends what was essentially military rights (rights of foreign invasion, attacks on foreign governments, acts of war) to non-military, local groups with no oversight.
Yeah, to summarize if the government has even the slightest word about something you are doing, they'll be allowed to "legally" install malware to your system and monitor everything you do.
So rather than needing a backdoor to your computer, they'll already have access. No need to worry about encryption when you're on the machine.
It's complete insanity, because it will be used incorrectly.
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@coliver said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
It looks like the big change is it allows judges to grant warrants not in their jurisdiction including computer that are overseas... I'm not sure how that works and isn't considered an act of war?
It doesn't, and is.
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@DustinB3403 said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
@scottalanmiller said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
Basically this law makes the FBI a military organization, allowing them to go after anyone regardless of the rights of the US government to oversee it. It extends what was essentially military rights (rights of foreign invasion, attacks on foreign governments, acts of war) to non-military, local groups with no oversight.
Yeah, to summarize if the government has even the slightest word about something you are doing, they'll be allowed to "legally" install malware to your system and monitor everything you do.
So rather than needing a backdoor to your computer, they'll already have access. No need to worry about encryption when you're on the machine.
It's complete insanity, because it will be used incorrectly.
Complete insanity regardless of how it is used. If the FBI has access to your machine, and the machines of millions of others, that also means the Chinese and North Koreans have access. To be fair, I'm more worried about the FBI having access then a foreign power.
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@coliver Exactly.
I might as well just close all of my accounts and refuse to use computers...
<tin hat>
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Not like anything will actually change. FBI was already doing this and no one was holding them accountable. So this is nothing more than paperwork.
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Can't wait for the inevitable headline. After the Rule 41 amendment was instated the FBI has noticed a drastic uptick of botnet nodes. They are flabbergasted as to the reason.
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The sad part is that the only difference between the FBI and any random malware vendors is that random malware vendors aren't evil, just people with questionable ethics willing to hurt you to make money. The FBI doesn't get paid to hack people, they do the same things as the malware vendors but do it because they hate you and are willing to compromise their ethics and violate the pledge and duty to their country just to hurt people.
It's things like "I'd feel more comfortable having a malware vendor babysit my kids than an FBI agent doing so." that tell you how scary they are.
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@coliver said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
Can't wait for the inevitable headline. After the Rule 41 amendment was instated the FBI has noticed a drastic uptick of botnet nodes. They are flabbergasted as to the reason.
Botnets to cover up other botnets so that the continuation can continue....
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This isn't about terrorism, it's about surveillance.
Terrorism is the best thing that has happened to the US government. They make so many laws "protecting" the people. Each time they "protect" us they take new freedoms away. Why are we so concerned about terrorism when in reality it affects such a minute percentage of the US population.
Would you give up your freedom to be safe from sharks or bees? They kill way more people a year than terrorism does.
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@IRJ said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
This isn't about terrorism, it's about surveillance.
If surveillance makes you live in fear, it's terrorism too.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
The sad part is that the only difference between the FBI and any random malware vendors is that random malware vendors aren't evil, just people with questionable ethics willing to hurt you to make money. The FBI doesn't get paid to hack people, they do the same things as the malware vendors but do it because they hate you and are willing to compromise their ethics and violate the pledge and duty to their country just to hurt people.
It's things like "I'd feel more comfortable having a malware vendor babysit my kids than an FBI agent doing so." that tell you how scary they are.
But would you really rather have a hacker-for-living babysit over an FBI agent?
At least with the FBI agent there is some sort of 'screening' going on.
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@IRJ said in Rule 41 - allows government to hack any computer with a warrant:
This isn't about terrorism, it's about surveillance.
Terrorism is the best thing that has happened to the US government. They make so many laws "protecting" the people. Each time they "protect" us they take new freedoms away. Why are we so concerned about terrorism when in reality it affects such a minute percentage of the US population.
Would you give up your freedom to be safe from sharks or bees? They kill way more people a year than terrorism does.
Falling down stairs, and swimming pools as well.
