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    • dafyre
      dafyre @WrCombs last edited by

      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

      After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

      Same kind of thing? software router?
      opensource?
      I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

      Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

      I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

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      • JaredBusch
        JaredBusch @dafyre last edited by

        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

        After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

        Same kind of thing? software router?
        opensource?
        I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

        Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

        I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

        pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

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        • dafyre
          dafyre @JaredBusch last edited by

          @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

          After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

          Same kind of thing? software router?
          opensource?
          I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

          Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

          I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

          pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

          Thanks for the heads up. It's been a while since I dug into pfSense.

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          • WrCombs
            WrCombs @JaredBusch last edited by WrCombs

            @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

            After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

            Same kind of thing? software router?
            opensource?
            I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

            Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

            I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

            pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

            what do you suggest? or use - rather

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            • scottalanmiller
              scottalanmiller @JaredBusch last edited by

              @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

              After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

              Same kind of thing? software router?
              opensource?
              I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

              Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

              I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

              pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

              Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.

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              • scottalanmiller
                scottalanmiller @WrCombs last edited by

                @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

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                • scottalanmiller
                  scottalanmiller @WrCombs last edited by

                  @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  anyone using Linux Mint as their Daily driver ?

                  Long ago I did. I don't find it as good as Ubuntu itself.

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                  • scottalanmiller
                    scottalanmiller last edited by

                    On Lake Atitlan for the next several days. And it appears that we actually have working INternet here at our little jungle hotel place.

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                    • WrCombs
                      WrCombs @scottalanmiller last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                      Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                      It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

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                      • scottalanmiller
                        scottalanmiller @WrCombs last edited by

                        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                        Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                        It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                        I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

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                        • scottalanmiller
                          scottalanmiller last edited by

                          About to go hiking around the lake while waiting for @valentina to wake up and want her coffee.

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                          • WrCombs
                            WrCombs @scottalanmiller last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                            Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                            It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                            I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                            well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

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                            • scottalanmiller
                              scottalanmiller @WrCombs last edited by

                              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                              Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                              It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                              I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                              well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                              No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                              Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                              Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

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                              • dafyre
                                dafyre @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                                Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                                It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                                I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                                Don't let Scott scare you off of using something like pfSense or OPNsense. Either would be fine in production use -- on decent hardware.

                                I've used pfSense for a while at my last job. I've used both as routers for Lab environments as well.

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                                • dafyre
                                  dafyre @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                                  He does have a great point here. Knowing concepts is better than being tied to a particular vendor. That being said, I just woke up from my nap and now want more coffee.

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                                  • WrCombs
                                    WrCombs @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                                    Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                                    It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                                    I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                                    well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                                    No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                                    Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                                    Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                                    I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.

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                                    • travisdh1
                                      travisdh1 @WrCombs last edited by

                                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                                      Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                                      It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                                      I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                                      well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                                      No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                                      Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                                      Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                                      I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.

                                      I'd completely switch gears and go with VyOS instead if you want something useful for a career. It's what landed me my current position at least.

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                                      • JaredBusch
                                        JaredBusch @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                                        After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

                                        Same kind of thing? software router?
                                        opensource?
                                        I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

                                        Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

                                        I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

                                        pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

                                        Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.

                                        Netgate bought them.
                                        e37dafe3-c280-4009-8046-d086ddb2652a-image.png

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                                        • scottalanmiller
                                          scottalanmiller @travisdh1 last edited by

                                          @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                                          Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                                          It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                                          I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                                          well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                                          No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                                          Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                                          Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                                          I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.

                                          I'd completely switch gears and go with VyOS instead if you want something useful for a career. It's what landed me my current position at least.

                                          Yeah, VyOS is the only one I'd ever touch because it's a crossover to production systems.

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                                          • scottalanmiller
                                            scottalanmiller @JaredBusch last edited by

                                            @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                                            After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

                                            Same kind of thing? software router?
                                            opensource?
                                            I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

                                            Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

                                            I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

                                            pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

                                            Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.

                                            Netgate bought them.
                                            e37dafe3-c280-4009-8046-d086ddb2652a-image.png

                                            I've never even heard of that vendor.

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