What Are You Doing Right Now
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.
Same kind of thing? software router?
opensource?
I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lolYeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.
I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.
pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.
Same kind of thing? software router?
opensource?
I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lolYeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.
I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.
pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen
Thanks for the heads up. It's been a while since I dug into pfSense.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.
Same kind of thing? software router?
opensource?
I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lolYeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.
I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.
pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen
what do you suggest? or use - rather
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.
Same kind of thing? software router?
opensource?
I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lolYeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.
I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.
pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen
Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
anyone using Linux Mint as their Daily driver ?
Long ago I did. I don't find it as good as Ubuntu itself.
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On Lake Atitlan for the next several days. And it appears that we actually have working INternet here at our little jungle hotel place.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
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About to go hiking around the lake while waiting for @valentina to wake up and want her coffee.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .
No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.
Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.
Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth
Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead. -
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
Don't let Scott scare you off of using something like pfSense or OPNsense. Either would be fine in production use -- on decent hardware.
I've used pfSense for a while at my last job. I've used both as routers for Lab environments as well.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.
He does have a great point here. Knowing concepts is better than being tied to a particular vendor. That being said, I just woke up from my nap and now want more coffee.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .
No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.
Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.
Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth
Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .
No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.
Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.
Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth
Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.
I'd completely switch gears and go with VyOS instead if you want something useful for a career. It's what landed me my current position at least.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.
Same kind of thing? software router?
opensource?
I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lolYeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.
I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.
pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen
Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.
Netgate bought them.
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .
No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.
Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.
Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth
Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.
I'd completely switch gears and go with VyOS instead if you want something useful for a career. It's what landed me my current position at least.
Yeah, VyOS is the only one I'd ever touch because it's a crossover to production systems.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.
Same kind of thing? software router?
opensource?
I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lolYeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.
I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.
pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen
Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.
Netgate bought them.
I've never even heard of that vendor.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.
Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.
It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.
I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.
well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .
No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.
Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.
Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth
Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.
If the goal is "learning firewalls", as in how to manage a firewall then absolutely. If the goal is "learning non-production filewall products", then it's not what I meant. You can certainly use pfSense to learn firewall concepts.
