This conversation is no different for the hundreds of others we'd had and seen - many industries and businesses do not care about their IT, and never keep modern - Look at my CAT scan machine installed in 2008 that came with Windows 2000, or a print businesses print server coming with XP in 2010.

As Scott reminded me again yesterday - it's not our responsibility to care more about the business than the business drivers/owners.

Even so, I just can't help that, I want things I'm involved with to be better.