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@dafyre That's the rub. Their backup system uses .vma, which won't convert to anything. I'll have to shut everything down, move the raw files to something else and then reinstall. I started with it because you just pop in the ISO and 20 mins later you have the hypervisor with a nice web interface and automated backups. I didn't realize what I was getting into when I used it, or how they approached everyone in other forums.
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@dafyre said:
@johnhooks Make backups with $favoriteBackupApp and restore to Hyper-V or XenServer?
I'm trying to get RemoteApps to deploy... It's going... slowly.
I haven't had a lot of luck with RemoteApps by themselves. I've found that third party program works much better.
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@johnhooks said:
@dafyre That's the rub. Their backup system uses .vma, which won't convert to anything. I'll have to shut everything down, move the raw files to something else and then reinstall. I started with it because you just pop in the ISO and 20 mins later you have the hypervisor with a nice web interface and automated backups. I didn't realize what I was getting into when I used it, or how they approached everyone in other forums.
You can do that with pretty much every hypervisor, except the backup part... that would be third party application.
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@coliver It was just nice that it was all packaged together, my laziness (and ignorance) got the best of me.
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver It was just nice that it was all packaged together, my laziness (and ignorance) got the best of me.
Ah I see. Well since it is KVM under the hood I wonder if something like this would help: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2015/06/22/handy-tool-for-converting-kvm-vmware-images-to-hyper-v.aspx
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@coliver Thanks! I'm trying to decide whether I want to stay on KVM (I'd just use CentOS, ProxMox doesn't use libvirt), Xen, Hyper-V, or try something like oVirt.
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver Thanks! I'm trying to decide whether I want to stay on KVM (I'd just use CentOS, ProxMox doesn't use libvirt), Xen, Hyper-V, or try something like oVirt.
XenServer is my personal favorite I've been using it my home lab since... 2008. Super easy to use and open source if that is what you are after.
Hyper-V is what I use here. Free and easy to use... the new version that is coming out seems to have Linux virtualization in its sights.
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@coliver That's good. I was leaning away from Hyper-V because all of our stuff is Linux. I had looked at XenServer but when I set everything up about 1.5 years ago, the only thing I could find for an interface was either XenCenter (Windows) or Xen Orchestra, which was a steep $70 a month for backups and importing/exporting vms with their interface.
However, I've been trying to force myself away from interfaces so that might work out well.
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver That's good. I was leaning away from Hyper-V because all of our stuff is Linux. I had looked at XenServer but when I set everything up about 1.5 years ago, the only thing I could find for an interface was either XenCenter (Windows) or Xen Orchestra, which was a steep $70 a month for backups and importing/exporting vms with their interface.
You may have issues finding a third-party backup vendor for XenServer. It doesn't really have the backup API that Hyper-V and ESXi do. Mostly I see it being backed up at the agent level (an agent installed on each VM) which may not be exactly what you are after.
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@coliver Can you do LVM snapshots?
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver Can you do LVM snapshots?
I think so. You could probably use LVM to take point-in-time snaps of the virtual disks and then ship those to a different location. At that point though if you needed to restore something you would be restoring the entire VM.
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I'm working out of Hyper-V a lot these days, and it works just as good as anything else out there... I am planning to switch my home server over to XenServer if I can ever get the time to do it, lol.
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Is there any difference between Hyper-V on Windows 8.1 Enterprise and Hyper-V installed on Server 2012?
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@coliver Since I've never used Hyper-V or VMware, does Veeam do recursive backups of each vm?
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@dafyre said:
Is there any difference between Hyper-V on Windows 8.1 Enterprise and Hyper-V installed on Server 2012?
No Hyper-V is Hyper-V. There is no difference between it on Windows 8.1, Server 2012, or Hyper-V Server. Hyper-V and XenServer use the same Dom0 method so you are basically installing a shim underneath the operating system and make the primary OS a virtual machine (Dom0).
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@coliver said:
@dafyre said:
Is there any difference between Hyper-V on Windows 8.1 Enterprise and Hyper-V installed on Server 2012?
No Hyper-V is Hyper-V. There is no difference between it on Windows 8.1, Server 2012, or Hyper-V Server. Hyper-V and XenServer use the same Dom0 method so you are basically installing a shim underneath the operating system and make the primary OS a virtual machine (Dom0).
Unless you install Hyper-V direct. No primary machine is required.
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver Since I've never used Hyper-V or VMware, does Veeam do recursive backups of each vm?
I've never used Veeam. What do you mean by recusive backups? It will do incremental forever backups from what I understand.
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@coliver Sorry I meant incremental not recursive.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@dafyre said:
Is there any difference between Hyper-V on Windows 8.1 Enterprise and Hyper-V installed on Server 2012?
No Hyper-V is Hyper-V. There is no difference between it on Windows 8.1, Server 2012, or Hyper-V Server. Hyper-V and XenServer use the same Dom0 method so you are basically installing a shim underneath the operating system and make the primary OS a virtual machine (Dom0).
Unless you install Hyper-V direct. No primary machine is required.
Right but even installing Hyper-V directly installs a cut down "Windows Server" as the Dom0.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@dafyre said:
Is there any difference between Hyper-V on Windows 8.1 Enterprise and Hyper-V installed on Server 2012?
No Hyper-V is Hyper-V. There is no difference between it on Windows 8.1, Server 2012, or Hyper-V Server. Hyper-V and XenServer use the same Dom0 method so you are basically installing a shim underneath the operating system and make the primary OS a virtual machine (Dom0).
Unless you install Hyper-V direct. No primary machine is required.
It's always the same, no matter what. The idea that HyperV has different ways of operating is all myth, and all from the SW community from what I can tell.
