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    • WrCombsW
      WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

      Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

      It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

        Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

        It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

        I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          About to go hiking around the lake while waiting for @valentina to wake up and want her coffee.

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          • WrCombsW
            WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

            Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

            It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

            I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

            well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

              Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

              It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

              I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

              well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

              No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

              Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

              Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                Don't let Scott scare you off of using something like pfSense or OPNsense. Either would be fine in production use -- on decent hardware.

                I've used pfSense for a while at my last job. I've used both as routers for Lab environments as well.

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                  He does have a great point here. Knowing concepts is better than being tied to a particular vendor. That being said, I just woke up from my nap and now want more coffee.

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                  • WrCombsW
                    WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                    Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                    It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                    I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                    well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                    No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                    Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                    Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                    I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.

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                    • travisdh1T
                      travisdh1 @WrCombs
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                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                      Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                      It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                      I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                      well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                      No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                      Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                      Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                      I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.

                      I'd completely switch gears and go with VyOS instead if you want something useful for a career. It's what landed me my current position at least.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                        After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

                        Same kind of thing? software router?
                        opensource?
                        I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

                        Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

                        I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

                        pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

                        Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.

                        Netgate bought them.
                        e37dafe3-c280-4009-8046-d086ddb2652a-image.png

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                          @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                          Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                          It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                          I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                          well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                          No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                          Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                          Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                          I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.

                          I'd completely switch gears and go with VyOS instead if you want something useful for a career. It's what landed me my current position at least.

                          Yeah, VyOS is the only one I'd ever touch because it's a crossover to production systems.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                            @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                            After you get done poking around with pfSense, check out OPNsense -- it's pretty good too.

                            Same kind of thing? software router?
                            opensource?
                            I could just google it but I'm kind of lazy. lol

                            Yeah, pretty much same vein as pfSense. The last time I compared the two, OPNsense looked and felt a little more modern.

                            I wouldn't be afraid to use either of them for stuff.

                            pfSense was purchased years back and while still available, the open version is a 2nd class citizen

                            Lame. No wonder I've heard nothing of it in forever.

                            Netgate bought them.
                            e37dafe3-c280-4009-8046-d086ddb2652a-image.png

                            I've never even heard of that vendor.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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                              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              playing with pfsense software router in Oracle VirtualBox.

                              Why? What's the goal? It's pretty rare that I would want a software router outside of a lab setting.

                              It was something I was working on a while ago that just spun back up to start over again.

                              I've not used a software firewall in decades. In a lab, sure, but not in production. You really always want hardware, but sometimes in the cloud you can't. But typically your cloud provider will provide the firewall in those cases. So it basically never comes up.

                              well then it's a good thing it was in VM's and not in a production setting .

                              No, I was explaining why I don't bother playing with the different ones out there - because it's not knowledge I can then apply to production. So while potentially interesting, it's not very valuable IMHO. There was a time when products like pfSense would get put on dedicated hardware because nothing on the market was any good. But today, it's very much a flipped market. Today you get better prices and better products by avoiding that stuff rather than by using it.

                              Just suggesting that if you are looking to play with something to further your career, pretty much anything else would be better because essentially (not completely) it's a product category without a use case today, making the time spent learning it and researching it lost to you.

                              Unless you are at a point in your career where there's just nowhere to go so you are no longer learning for the point of career growth 😉 Nothing wrong with playing around with tech if you find it fun. Just making sure you understand that knowing every software firewall on the market inside and out won't give you any soft of advantage of someone that just took a nap instead.

                              I get it, but i'm pretty sure you were the one who told me / gave me a "project" to help me on my learning journey.

                              If the goal is "learning firewalls", as in how to manage a firewall then absolutely. If the goal is "learning non-production filewall products", then it's not what I meant. You can certainly use pfSense to learn firewall concepts.

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                              • WrCombsW
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                                Connected into a site this morning, going to do some changes for a couple things - no biggie.
                                Open file explorer and it says ther's 15gb of 450 available.
                                So now instead of doing what I originally was going to be doing, Now i'm doing disk clean up and freeing up more space - at least its hump day.

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                                • dafyreD
                                  dafyre @WrCombs
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                                  @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  Connected into a site this morning, going to do some changes for a couple things - no biggie.
                                  Open file explorer and it says ther's 15gb of 450 available.
                                  So now instead of doing what I originally was going to be doing, Now i'm doing disk clean up and freeing up more space - at least its hump day.

                                  Yeah. Too bad it's ONLY hump day. Just got out of a 2 hour meeting. Oy.

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                                  • WrCombsW
                                    WrCombs @dafyre
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                                    @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    Connected into a site this morning, going to do some changes for a couple things - no biggie.
                                    Open file explorer and it says ther's 15gb of 450 available.
                                    So now instead of doing what I originally was going to be doing, Now i'm doing disk clean up and freeing up more space - at least its hump day.

                                    Yeah. Too bad it's ONLY hump day. Just got out of a 2 hour meeting. Oy.

                                    oof. i feel for that.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Just relaxing by the lake today.

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                                      • dafyreD
                                        dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        Just relaxing by the lake today.

                                        We like easy!

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                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          Busy nuking the spam accounts.

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                                            scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                                            @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            Just relaxing by the lake today.

                                            We like easy!

                                            It's a nice change. Beers and poutine by the lake.

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